Subject: PE members are threatening you?

To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
From: SOUTHZOO@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:38:50 EST
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carole- BCR comments- My response

In a message dated 2/17/2006 12:37:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tigers9@cox.net writes:

U mean kind of like a bullet?...;-) it depends if u r on the receiving end
or not.;-)

ROFL! Yup, fully loaded!

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Subject: Comment from GreenPeople directory

Hello,

We received the following comment from tigers9@cox.net regarding your listing at:
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
The comment is:

Wasn't Carole Baskin/Lewis formerly called Widlife on Easy Streeta breeder, and most of her animals she bought/bred herself,or got retired tigers from Ringling,who pay for their upkeep?See link to her book where she admits it: http://www.species.net/Carnivora/General/Easy/Easy indx.html I also own her video,BIG CAT COMPANIONS on breeding exotic cats.

Subject: Comment from GreenPeople directory

Hello,

We received the following comment from azooforu@yahoo.com regarding your listing at:
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
The comment is:
Wildlife on Easy Street is nothing more then a place a greedy woman keeps HER RETIRED BREEDERS at, and some Ringling Circus tigers who are paid for (OVERCHARGED) by the compnay. She higly inflates the cost for enclosures that are secured by hog rings. The land their enclosures are built on was formerly a dump, and junk still pushes it's way to the top
of the animals' enclosures. They have been under investigation for numerous violations to the ANIMAL WELFARE ACT by the USDA. This isn't paradise, it's BUSINESS.

Subject: GreenPeople listing: Big Cats and Private Owners

Bob Nevin ( Bob@chnevin.com ) Robert W. Nevin, VP, Recruiting10223 Sablewood Dr. Aurora, Ohio 44202 (Tel) 800-388-7986 (Fax)330-995-3592
has visited your GreenPeople listing:
Big Cat Rescue
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833

and is emailing you the following:

Its my right to responibly own a lion. If you don't like that then clam up. I feel real bad that you can not educate people on how to work and care for big cats short of saying you can't have them. If owning big cats are banned, then you will see an even greater problem with enforcement because all the cats will be sold on the black market without any papers or breeding certificates. Also a lot more accidents and inexperienced people working with them will get hurt or even worse.
Its very important that you educate people how to work and train the big cats. Also, its very important that we save the species and private owners are doing a good job. I think that you should start realizing and welcoming that fact instead of trying to make a mockery of it.

Carole’s Note: GreenPeople decided that the opinions were without merit and did not post these libelous comments. The book link is maintained by one of our opponents who hides behind a bulk registrar and the text is not endorsed by Carole Baskin or Big Cat Rescue.

Linda Hunnicutt lndmonk@yahoo.com Brought pet monkey from NC into FL and said she left it in her car at Vernon Yates while she protested our Kids, Cats & Candidates day. She had led the group from Phoenix Exotics in coming here from out of state. Linda Hunnicutt of Simply Simian Address: 27 Beaton Path, LeicesterCity, State Zipcode: Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 Her criminal convictions that include bank fraud and charity fraud are HERE .

Email: lndmonk@aol.com

From: lndmonk
To: monkeyyardsale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: [monkeyyardsale] Home again

I just got in this afternoon and found 1300 messages none of which I could get too. This computer has gone AWOL. I have had to go to yahoo then back to aol to read the newest ones? what a mess.
Anyway needless to say I deleted the most of them..
I got to Fl on Friday night, really Late, Had a flat on the I 10 INTERSTATE and had to get the Road Rangers out there to help change it and found they couldn't doit either as it has locking nuts on the wheels to keep people from steeling them.. My Son finally told me to tell them to knock off the stud that had the lock on it. which was the solution..
Then had to drive very slowly for the next hundred forty miles which was worse than waiting for the Rangers..lol.. Anyway after staying lost on the interstate interchanges for about an hour I just called and told my son to come get me which he did and found I was only about 10 minutes from his house.lol... I did get there though which is what counts. The demonstration was a good one, have the photos etc and will get them up on the website and in the newsletter comming out in a few days.

I did get a lot of aggravation there, those people are really mean. One blonde which I will not mention her name, was put up to pulling my strings, she had the nerve to come up and start asking me questions about what I had in my car, if I had a monkey in there? when I asked her who the hell she was she said Carole Basking, now I think you all know I have a mouth, but I only uttered a few profane words to her and told her to get the FFFFFFF away from me.. I never raised my hand but my Grandaughter was standing there with huge eyes just waiting for the blows to start flying..lol... Of course everyne thought that was really funny.... then Vernon who I entrusted with Buddy during the demonstration came by and put his arm around me and told me we had a little problem... Buddy had opened his cage and was up in a tree? He also learned a few new words ...lol...

It was a wonderful experience, those people are dedicated, serious and working for us all. I got to put faces with names and loved meeting all of them.

We did our job. Only abut 3 cars went into the place while we were there , and one of the candidates read our material and switched sides, grabbed a sign and was standing with us on the street. The cops she had called to keep us from harrassing her guests ( she had very very few of them to harrass) took our flyers thanks to someone who told them their husband was a cop also and eased up on us.

People in that town got the message, the traffic was heavy, and everyone slowed down to see the signs.. They were read. Lots of people would give us the thumb up sign so they must have nad some previous knowledge of BAskins.

The most excitement was when the fire engine flew in with sirens and lights flashing followed by a ambulance.. I actualy was hoping maybe Carol had met with a horrid accident? but we never did find out what the problem was.

I am really dissapointed that Geraldo didn't show up to see the real truth and went ahead and aired the show but from what I heard from someone? it was not a good one and didn't show much of her place at all so he evidently edited it quite a bit. That is a positive thing. Our messages did get through.

That is not the end of it, there will be bigger and better demonstrations and like I said on another list. It aint over till the fat lady sings and I haven't had any voice lessons yet. so we will keep on till we get it right.. After all we are new at this stuff but are learning real quick.

It is good to be home and get some real sleep in my own bed but Karen better get my bed at her house ready cause I am heading out of here next week for Texas... Yeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

It is snowing still here, the ground is frozen and I am movin on south... Buddy told his father tonight he was a southern monkey.. didn't like this hillbilly place.. LOL.....

Linda

Carole&rsq uo;s Note: Name: Linda Hunnicutt of Simply Simian Address: 27 Beaton Path, Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 Email: lndmonk@aol.com She is said to use a number of other names and aliases as well to make it look like several people are responding on an issue, rather than her, or just her.

I did not go up to the group of protestors but did have them filmed to find out who was there. They claim to have had a candidate join them, but all of the candidates who were scheduled to come, did come, with the exception of one woman and I do not know who the man in the photo they are promoting as a candidate was. While she claims only three cars came, we had 178 guests. The officer we hired to manage traffic was not duped by them and knows the trouble that irresponsible exotic animal owners cause in the Tampabay area.

From: lndmonk@yahoo.com
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 11:35 am
Subject: Fla Python bill. lndmonk

This is the bill Carole Baskin is pushing so hard.. it is only a open door
to other more dangerous amendments which will be coming if this is passed...
Everyone keep in mind that we need Fla as a example of regulations that are
fair and working .

Fla. Python bill:

It now has a number - HB 1459. The Senate bill still does not but if you
track the house bill, when the Senate companion is ready it will tell you so
you don't always have to keep checking on Posey's reptile bill. I hope you
will give this number to everyone you know so they can track it . That is how
to find out what Committees it gets assigned to and who is on them, When it is
put on the Committee Agenda (in the order the Speaker assigns the
Committees) and where, what time, date, etc., then after, if it was passed,
failed, tp'd (temporarily 'postponed 'Note this doesn't mean passed - but postponed)
.
Once there is a Senate Bill you will want to take its number and go to
Senate bill tracking to find out, the who, when, what, etc. as described above.
(Florida)

_SIMPLY SIMIAN INC._ (http://www.simply-simian.com/)
_Repo-Pac_ (http://www.repo-pac.com/)

_Grannys against Peta_ (http://www.grannysagainstpeta.com/)
Warrior Grannys strike against Peta.

From: Bigcats10@aol.com
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 7:14 am
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] BCR Ban Big Cat Exploitation petition bigcats10

In a message dated 3/4/2006 3:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lndmonk@yahoo.com writes:

If you notice the very first line on the petition admits she is lobbying .... isn't that against what her non profit status allows?

Here is an excerpt from the IRS re: 501:

Exemption Requirements
To be tax-exempt as an organization described in IRC Section 501(c)(3) of
the Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for one or
more of the purposes set forth in IRC Section 501(c)(3) and none of the
earnings of the organization may inure to any private shareholder or
individual.
In addition, it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial
part of its activities and it may not participate at all in campaign activity
for or against political candidates.
_http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0 ,,id=96099,00.html_
(http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0 ,,id=96099,00.html)

Ms. Baskin is on the BOD of Humane USA which is a political group which has the freedom to participate in these activities.

Also, USDA has no jurisdiction over these activities. Contacting the IRS with all of Carole's political maneuvers is an excellent idea. It can't hurt.

Vicki

From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com Raymond Rooney
Date: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] API expose runeraion

This must have happened while I was away but I am dismayed that people here fell for this.

Without having read the exchanges I can only guess that they were taken on their word and no checking was done. I would appreciate it if someone could
point me toward the time period when these guys popped up. I'd like to study their approach.

This may mark the first time an AR sting has been pulled successfully but it's not the first time someone has come to us wanting to see animals and owners with negative intent.

We all remember the NY Times reporter, the Al Guart "expose'" and court circus, and nibbles from various TV producers. We did get lucky with one UK photographer but that was a fluke.

Strangers are not going to seek us out to tell our wonderful story. There's no percentage in it. It's a poor seller. At best it might make filler in a pet publication but people who come thousands of miles don't do it for penny pieces.

And I don't care how nice you think someone is, you never show them a dirty enclosure, ratty fences, or less-than-perfect specimens. It doesn't matter if they were just sick or if you just rescued them from somewhere, animals in poor condition look bad and give a bad impression.

You can not count on slack from a "fellow exotic owner", especially if you haven't verified that they are owners or seen their place. Carole Baskin is a "fellow exotic owner."

Outfits like API have huge resources and can drag people in from anywhere in the country. Or the world. Sister organizations can supply people if they think you might know their own staff. HSUS, IFAW, and API are global.

Those who had poor conditions and/or animals did a lot of damage and need to clean up their acts. They should expect a visit from some agency - F&W, animal control, humane society, USDA, as appropriate. These people will give names when they see the lawmakers next and documenation is a natural request.

Worse, it will cost Phoenix credibility and scare away those who might have supported its actions. They now have to fear this being used against them if they support us in the future. If the group representing "responsible ownership" is so "bad" what does that leave?

AR people are a lot of things - cultists, fanatical, emotional, and sometimes disturbed - but they are not idiots and are determined liars, two-faced, and well-connected. They WILL lie to your face, assure you they are your friends, share your concerns and goals, and want to help you and your animals then turn around and blow you all to hell.

The ends justify the means.

Remember, to them we are not nice people with interesting jobs or hobbies. We are scum, exploiters, abusers, psychotic, and stupid. There's no shame in lying or doing any other action to horrible people, there's pride.

And if it negates a whole group of opposition people then it was justified and furthers the goal of animal liberation.

Empty cages! Empty cages!

But we should take this away from all this: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Let this be a learning experience. Don't be a show-off. If you can't control the outcome, don't get involved. Even if you are within regulations they make it sound awful - poses with wild animal, animal lives life in small prison, etc.

If they aren't from a trusted group don't let them on the property! Ray

From: <President@...
To: <Phoenix_exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: [Phoenix_Exotics] API expose

Opening Statement given at the Phoenix Exotics meeting, 9am, Feb 24th by
President Jeanne Hall.

Welcome to the Phoenix Exotics Meeting.
Due to the nature of this meeting we may possibly have protestors or reporters outside or in attendance. Please refer such folks to Vicki. We have security, and she is in charge.
We also have another similar situation. As many of you know Phoenix Members have been opposing ban legislation from API (Animal Protection Institute) for years. One of the most successful places we have opposed ban bills is Washington State. Well, API has done an undercover operation which they have just released as an "in depth investigation". Actually, a couple of very nice seeming fellows dropped by from overseas. Known on the list as Austrian Tom, he and friend "fred" were welcomed into our homes as fellow exotic owners
visiting our country. This occurred a few months ago. Their report shows they did not understand what they were shown or told. We are supposed to respond to such a violation with terror. We are supposed to run away from the big scary ARA (Animal Rights Activists) and withdraw from the fight. But this violation shows something else much more important. It shows WE are being effective enough against the API that they felt the need to use dirty tricks. There was no need to resort to such deceitful behavior as pretending to befriend owners or intentionally record owners without their consent. In fact, the report tries, hard, through editing the info, to meet their agenda without really hitting the mark. Soon we will have a full response to this report up on the web. With pictures of these undercover agents included. We are NOT running away or hiding. API's cowardly actions only show we ARE having an effect.

Message to API: API, we know WHO you are and WHAT you are doing. You are invited back anytime, but this time let US record YOU.

President, Phoenix Exotic Wildlife Association
Jeanne Hall
http://www.PhoenixExotics.ORG
President@...
P.O. Box 1132
Chehalis, WA. 98532
360-767-0746

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