From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] RE; Expose on BCR runeraion

Record it!!!

Ray

From: "shelleen mathews" < katladysam@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] RE; Expose on BCR katladysam

Hi Vicki... since I'm not in the BayNews9 coverage area do you know if there is
a link where I can view this after it's aired? Thanks... Shelleen

From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] RE; Expose on BCR iluvclydesda...

Thank for the heads up Vicki

Well for those who can't tune in, is it possible you can report back to the
group on their findings? This sounds interesting... I wonder How warped it
will be - either pro or con...

Give Ty a hug for me!
-Bob

--- In Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com, Bigcats10@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 3/16/2006 5:29:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cathspohrer@... writes:

I just listened to Expose done on BCR and Carol Baskin

Here is the link to the story:

_http://www.baynews9.com/content/36 /2006/3/16/149024.html

From: "slowswimmer1" thomaskirby169@hotmail.com <thomaskirby169@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:26 pm
Subject: Re: Expose on BCR slowswimmer1

Isn't it amazing how long she has gone on believing that her manure pile doesn't stink? Shocked and surprised that anyone would criticize her?

Has she ever really done the work? Has she ever shoveled out a barn or litter box? She does not act like someone who really works or think? It just makes me want to rant.

From: "slowswimmer1" thomaskirby169@hotmail.com
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Expose on BCR slowswimmer1

Her greatest fear is a truth campaign.

Poor lady is going to have to live on less than fifty million dollars for the rest of her life if this keeps up.

She wants to whine about this being caused by people who are motivated against new legislation. What motivates us but the lives of our animals? She has enough money and gets enough money and she hurts other owners to do it.

From: lndmonk@yahoo.com
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] RE; Expose on BCR lndmonk

In a message dated 3/16/06 3:05:27 PM Central Standard Time,
katladysam@... writes:

area do you know if there is a link where I can view this after it's aired?
Thanks... Shelleen

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From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Expose on BCR runeraion

"All this is being caused by those motivated against new legislation "

Hey, you use propaganda on people then you better expect the truth in response.

Welcome to politics, Carole. Did you think it was all one-sided? That nobody would ask questions, ever?

When you hold yourself up as a paragon of morality and virtue you had better be spotless. When you judge others you should expect to be judged.

Welcome to reality. Hope you like it. More will come.

Ray

From: "Cathy" < cathspohrer@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:27 pm
Subject: Expose on BCR cathspohrer2000

I just listened to Expose done on BCR and Carol Baskin

Bottom line??
It was told that Carol Baskin had said she has wanted the Largest Private Collection of exotics.

Carol was confronted with accusations that she has breed after1997,when she says she has stopped.

It was stated :
Bingtorongs where born there:
"?"

1998 Caracal litter of cubs born. Carol Baskins response:
" I dont know"

Pet shop owner has stated that she had a Serval that was bought by
Carol Baskin aka Big Cat Resuce for $1000.00

Taped recording of Carol Baskin saying how Tiger cub Shar Khan was
bottled fed and came from loving place.

Carol was asked if all exotics at her facilty came from abusive places:
" I think so"
Carol Baskin stated that some Leopards at her facility where born
into the pet rade market:
It was said by another BCR volunteer that those leopards had been born
at BCR

There was more but this was excellent in getting BCR exposed for what is really going on there and what she is attempting to do

Carol Baskin parting comment was:
"All this is being caused by those motivated against new legislation "

On Mar 16, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Ray wrote:

It seems the matter gets darker:

She is also working with an AR group:

www.humaneusa.org/images/PrintOuts/ PAC%2006%20Job%20Description%
20and%20Task%20List.xls

Carole Baskin runs the Florida branch:

http://www.humaneusa.org/humaneusa fl.htm

SAOVA describes them:
http://saova.org/arpac.html

An AR PAC. Members include HSUS, the Fund for Animals, Farm Sanctuary,
ASPCA, Doris Day Animal League, Animal Welfare Institute, The Ark
Trust,
Animal Rights Foundation of Florida, and others.

This is disturbing. Certainly a conflict of interest.

Ray

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Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Oh, my! Was: re: Expose on BCR ladyraven_69

Yuck!

This sounds terrible. Can something be done?
Are you an FCF member? I do know that there are several FCF members on this list. I wanted to join FCF because I want to take the feline husbandry course and I thought they were for responsible private/ownership conservation breeding.

Raven

From: Bigcats10@aol.com
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR - FCF connection? bigcats10

In a message dated 3/16/2006 3:45:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ... writes:

I'm sure either her or her long time volunteer, Carolyne Clendinen, the newly appointed FCF membership director would be more than glad to help you with your study. Just a thought.....

This is a joke, right? The membership Director of FCF is a volunteer at BCR and has access to addresses and such????

Please tell us this isn't true.....

Vicki

From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR iluvclydesda...
Hello,

I asked before that you refer this question to Jeanne, our group moderator regarding Mr. Figg. She can fill you in on the details if that is what you need for your investigation. Please understand, I do not want to get involved more than I already have. He has caused enough trouble for me.
Please don't take it the wrong way either. I'm not trying to be nasty.

-Bob

From: exoticanimals2@...
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR exoticanimals3

Bob;
Your telling me and others to avoid him though you don't give a reason why. I take it that you have had problems legally with him if your attorney is saying not to "get into it". If there were a bookie man lurking around the corner, I don't know about anyone else but I wold certainly like to know why I need to fear him in case I ever come across him. If you can't apeak about this issue, anyone else know?
Jude

From: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
exoticanimals2@ ...
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 5:55 AM
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR

So do you know Mr. Figg personally? Does it really matter if this to be true about the parking lot, where someone sets up to do photo ops? I would think that the care and health of his animals are way more important then where the photo ops are. Lets weigh this out... a parking lot with a hugh arena with sunshine, fresh air, cleaning caging, healthy animals or like some of the things we saw on the video. Hmmmmm is that so tough?
Jude

From: "Z" < tigers9@...
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:18 am
Subject: RE: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR zbrubruff

I didn't not write that comment, I just copied and pasted it from the article comment website, I have no clue who cavedog is
Z

From: < exoticanimals2@...
To: <Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR

So Bob you know Mr. Figg personally? If not, what do you base such an opinion on?
Jude

From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:59 am
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR iluvclydesda...

Jude,

I'd rather not get into it as advised from my attorney. Get it? It opens up a big can of worms. Just avoid him.

-Bob

From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ...
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:29 am
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR runeraion

That's correct. It was announced on the list just this afternoon. Not a word about it before then.

PE would have to be pretty damn powerful to get something like that done in
2 hours!

From: "Z" < tigers9@...
To: <Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:58 PM
Subject: RE: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR

More comments:
big cat rescue
Posted By jerry on 03/16/2006 @ 08:27 PM
i CAN SEE IT NOW ALL THE PUSSIES are coming out of the woodwork

BCR
Posted By Roger Figg on 03/16/2006 @ 08:06 PM
I am well versed in the current big cat trade. I have been licensed for 20
some years by USDA. This station is being used to push a PETTY attack by the
members of www.phoenix_exotics@... If you jion the list the archives
show this was planned by PE members to harm BCR. If you go to a API report
on Phoenix Exotics, they need to CLEAN themselves.
http://www.api4animals.org/gallery/displayimage.ph p?album=16&pos=0 Phoenix
list members have even attacked me in person. Is a private exotic ownership
group thats in support of ownership, Animal rights terrorists by attacking
others? Roger Figg www.DomesticPanthera.com www.CarnivoreConcepts.com

From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR iluvclydesda...

I put a comment on BCR's website representing my views and my views only. It
was not PE's. I just wanted to clarify that. It was also not planned as an actual PE event. what a goofball.

Thank you.
-Bob

From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR iluvclydesda...

OH GOD!!! NOT HIM!!! <puke, gag, cough, spit up WHY THE HELL DID YOU POST
HIS NAME????!!! AAAAHHH !!! GRAB THE LYSOL QUICK TO DISINFECT OUR
COMPUTERS!!!!!! HE IS A CON MAN AND IS AN INTERNET PREDATOR!! DON'T BELIEVE
A FRIGGIN WORD HE SAID!!!!!

From: "Z" < tigers9@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:30 pm
Subject: RE: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR zbrubruff

Figg is a fruit
Posted By cavedog on 03/16/2006 @ 10:06 PM
Mr Figg is another of Ms. Baskin's ilk. Check out this article
(http://cwapc.org/news/NewsDescription.asp?FileNam e=news_20041214.html) that
details how he kept "wild" animals in a parking lot so you can get your picture taken. I'm sure he has his own version of this, which is fine. I'm all for free speech. In fact, I dedicated almost twenty years of my adult life to the preservation of his rights, some of which was spent in nameless jungles avoiding predators such as the ones he puts in cages in parking lots. One of the website he references is slick, yeah, it almost looks lifelike. He is simply cashing in on the "wild" animal trade. By preying on your sympathies for animals, he can line his pockets. Put the animals in a zoo, and go back to selling suck brooms door to door.

From: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raven Simons
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:07 PM
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR

My 2 cents posted:

Thanks for this story. Carol has actually been hurting the endangered cats she claims to care for. Bad enough that she lies about the origins of her cats to get donations, she goes further by trying to strip the legal rights of others. She seems to be all about legislative extinction of endangered felines everywhere. Is this so she can have the largest and "only" collection of felines in the US? This would certainly bring in the bucks for her facility. I would like to see more new stories about the real heroes of
endangered felines, the responsible private owners trying desparately to save the diversity held within the existing US gene pools of these animals. A story would be great about those unsung heroes that have tried to keep the Ocelot gene pools thriving and the consequences of the Lacey act on their efforts. How about stories on those responsible private owners who love their cats and provide a life for them that would be the envy of many felines living in zoos and sanctuaries? We can talk about Servals and Caracals. It's only a matter of time before these become endangered in their wild homelands. Human encroachment, habitat destruction, and poaching are the biggest threat to all endangered species. A big hand needs to be given to responsible private husbandry and conservation efforts!

"Z" < tigers9@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:29 pm
Subject: my comment:RE: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR zbrubruff

BCR
Posted By Zuzana on 03/16/2006 @ 10:27 PM
First of all, I would like to congratulate Chris Hawes for excellent job and having guts to expose the truth behind many so called sanctuaries. Too many journalists out there don’t do the research like she did, great job Chris. As for Ms. Carole Baskin’s claim as reported by Chris Hawes that “”She stood by her web site's story of Shere Khan's abuse, despite the video showing him standing on his hind legs. "He could lift himself, but just barely," said Baskin.””,….hmmm,… well, I saw the video, it was a very happy and healthy tiger cub playing with volunteer. Carol herself narrates the video, saying she just got Shere khan 1 week ago and says that it came from a loving and nurturing home and then mentions how this tiger cub bites hard but that she was told he would outgrow it (this was Carol’s first pet tiger). Now, on ‘Big Cat Rescue’ website it says that he:” was far beyond salable and had sores rotting through his face from his rotten teeth,” Well, the video shows a very bouncy strong tiger with pretty healthy face that likes to bite in play, if he was as sick as Ms. Baskin claims, he wouldn’t be biting with rotten teeth. The video/ picture don’t lie.

From: Bigcats10@aol.com
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR bigcats10

In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:36:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ... writes:

To all the volunteers who spoke out - and we know there are more than those named in the report - THANK YOU!!

Ray

BCR
Posted By WHACKM on 03/17/2006 @ 12:03 AM
www.Phoenix_Exotics@... This group sucks! Mean whore and Heathens with no lives reside there. The president of the playgroup, fatty fatty two by four, she couldnt fit through the bathroom door, But she can sure open cougar pens for tourists cameras. CLEAN those cages, some PE members animals are sleeping in filth. http://www.api4animals.org/gallery/displayimage.ph p?album=16&pos=0 How
responciable is private ownership if the animals suffer or endangered by
members? I see both on the API expose of PE.

Carole Lewis Baskin
Posted By Monkey Mom on 03/16/2006 @ 11:32 PM
Whether or not you support a private citizen's right to own an exotic animal, committing fraud by lying to the people who support you should never be tolerated. For a woman of Carole's character to be calling private owners and others 'unethical' because they live and work with exotics is a joke. The only difference is that private owners care for and support their own animals while Carole has found a way to have the public support her cats while she pays a staff to care for them. The majority of cats listed on Carole's website are not rescues at all, but her own private collection. They are not 'victims of the pet trade' but cats bought and bred by Carole Lewis Baskin for her own enjoyment ... something she wishes to deny every other person but herself. The people who donate to BCR are doing so on the basis of the lies told both on the website and by the tour guides. And by the way....what ever happened to Carole's 'disappeared' husband, Don?

Big Cat Lies
Posted By Shoe on 03/16/2006 @ 11:30 PM
Let’s see if I got this right, Carole Baskin (formerly Carole Lewis) was an exotic pet owner, who became a breeder, who bought and/or bred up to 130 animals. Then decides to become a “Sanctuary� , make up rescue stories (normally called lying) to entice/solicit donations for the upkeep of her pets. Meanwhile lobbying to ban others, thinking she is one of the chosen few that knows best. Not to mention keeping her tax-free non-profit status. Additionally, badmouthing anyone else doing what she does/did. Yup Chris Hawes got it right, and probably would find out more if he had the time.

Petty"?
Posted By Tom on 03/16/2006 @ 09:49 PM
Petty attack, Roger Figg? Carole Baskins fights to get everyone banned from owning big cats. She fights to punish people who try to take care of big cat species by raising more big cats. Her program amounts to a deliberate attack against several species that she pretends to care for. The kind of morality she pushes is very strange, that it is somehow moral to eliminate the lives and bloodlines of most of the representatives of the feline species on this planet. So it's petty to point out Baskins's hypocrisy. I don't accept that. I don't know why you think that anyone would accept your rhetoric. The fact is that humans who raise exotic animals are the only hope for many species. By that I do mean private owners, the same private owners who have raised millions of dogs, cats, cattle, and other species. Whatever you call it, success speaks for itself. Any species that is "exploited" by humans has a guaranteed future, in large numbers, many of them enjoying a very high standard of living compared to living in "nature." This is a result that cannot be accomplished by a diminishing number of zoos that have a plan to breed a few hundred invididuals without the genetic variety needed to make a truly viable species. And I haven't even talked about the monkeys that I have seen pictures of that the API has
allowed to rot.

BCR
Posted By Roger Figg on 03/16/2006 @ 08:06 PM
I am well versed in the current big cat trade. I have been licensed for 20 some years by USDA. This station is being used to push a PETTY attack by the members of www.phoenix_exotics@... If you jion the list the archives show this was planned by PE members to harm BCR. If you go to a API report on Phoenix Exotics, they need to CLEAN themselves.
http://www.api4animals.org/gallery/displayimage.ph p?album=16&pos=0 Phoenix list
members have even attacked me in person. Is a private exotic ownership group thats in support of ownership, Animal rights terrorists by attacking others?
Roger Figg www.DomesticPanthera.com www.CarnivoreConcepts.com

Big Cat "Rescue"
Posted By Tom on 03/16/2006 @ 07:22 PM
Carole Baskins has published a plan to rid the United States of all big cats in human hands within twenty years. Presumably this means what it says. Her plan includes the end of keeping big cats in zoos and the species survival plans. The US is actually very good at improving the chances of survival of many endangered species, and private owners actually produce the majority of successful breedings towards this end. Animals that are vanishing due to human predation against them are actually prospering in private homes and this is what Carole Baskins's program wants to bring to an end. Breeding of threatened and endangered species should be encouraged, not discouraged. I don't even know how it occurred to anyone to ban the private breeding of animals that are becoming
rare in the wild. What can I say that this is like? A captive bred tiger is still a tiger. If we breed more of them the species may die out in the wild, but there are thousands already in captivity that make up a viable breeding pool. Yes, there are some problems when private owners breed any animal, but the end result is that we have more tigers when the world needs more tigers, more ocelots when the world needs more ocelots, and so on. It's the only way we can do it right now. We need to get over it, grow up, and start taking
responsibility for what humans have done to other species. We can do this by working on what humans can do FOR other species.

BCR
Posted By Victoria on 03/16/2006 @ 06:19 PM
I am pleased to see reporting that for once exposes the real truth about Bigcat Rescue in Tampa and Mrs. Carole Baskin. I applaud the reporter, Chris Hawes, for having the courage to set the record straight and for those that participated in exposing the lies generated from Ms. Baskin's propaganda. Ms. Baskin of Bigcat Rescue is an exhibitor of exotic animals not a Sanctuary. Here in Florida real Sanctuaries do not need a USDA license to provide caring homes for animals as long as they don't breed, sell, or exhibit. Ms. Baskin has a Class "C" exhibitors license which allows her to show her animals commercially and for money. She also asks for donations from the unsuspecting public to provide homes for animals that we now know were not abused?? Hypocritical? Yes, I would say so.