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Exotic Animal Stock Video. Lions, Tigers, Bears, Cubs & More! Choose from our online collection! www.walkingwithlions.com
Animals in their naturalhabitat!Onceinalifetimeexperience!www.BaobabExpeditions.com
Big Cats. Huge selection of Big Cat items. Yahoo.com
AnimalLover0104@aol.com is alias email First name is Janice Real email: Chuffer927@aol.com Thinks that people should be allowed contact with Class 1 animals, regardless of size. Supports white tiger breeding and exotic pet trade.
lndmonk@aol.com Has many emails Hates BCR and supports exotic pet trade Claims BCR abuses and breeds Name: Linda Hunnicutt Address: 27 Beaton Path, Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 She uses a number of other names and aliases as well to make it look like several people are responding on an issue, rather than her, or just her.
President, Phoenix Exotic Wildlife Association
Name: Jeanne Hall Website: http://www.PhoenixExotics.org P.O. Box 1132 Chehalis, WA. 98532 Phone: 360-767-0746
Supports exotic pet trade. Hates BCR. Thinks exhibitors and white tiger breeding are ok. Leads exotic pet organization and disagrees with USDA and AZA.
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Tiger Cubs Abused at Mall GW E Tiger Cubs Abused at Mall GW Exotics 2
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TAYLOR — When Judi Vig, a member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, saw exotic animals on display Wednesday at Southland Center, it sent alarms off in her mind. She called City Hall to check that everything was in order with the display and to voice concerns about the animals’ welfare. Vig said PETA has had issues with G.W. Exotic Animals of Wynnewood, Okla., which houses the animals Awakening Production uses. Awakening Production came to Southland with lion and tiger cubs and a baby kangaroo. It set up a display where people could see the animals, and if they wanted, pay $25 for two people to spend eight minutes in a cage with tiger cubs and a trainer. Today is the show’s last day. Awakening Production had not obtained a permit to hold a special event, which is required, said Joseph Nardone, the city’s executive director of development services. A representative of the company came to City Hall with a letter from Southland Center giving permission for the event and to seek a permit, he said. Ordinance and animal control officers investigated the complaint, he said. Animal control officers found no violations, city officials said. The permit was issued. As of Thursday afternoon, the company was in compliance with all city ordinances, Nardone said. “Getting to touch a baby tiger is a moment in a lifetime,” said Michael Bussey, stage manager for Awakening Production. “You’re seated. You go in with a certified trainer. The tigers will roam around the cage, crawl on your lap, and you can pet them.” There were plenty of takers, from young children to a 93-year-old woman, he said. But mainly, it was young families, especially mothers with their children. Awakening Production also put on a free magic show each day. The purpose behind the magic show is to educate the public about ownership of exotic animals, Bussey said. It booked several visits with General Growth Properties, which owns Southland Center and other malls across the country, Bussey said. Awakening Production came with a 4-month-old white tiger; two 8-week-old tigers, which went into the play cages with visitors; a 13-week-old tiger; two 3-week-old lions; and a 3-month-old kangaroo, said Vicky Welch, road manager and animal caretaker. Fourteen people, including stage crew and animal caretakers, travel with the animals, Welch said.
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all you sorry people that have no clear understanding related to animal rights....The show at Southland was for self gain......Do you all know HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MADE! At the expense of breeding tigers that they can take around the country...to make money off you fools then they give or sell those tigers when they are too big...they end up in China and so on for their herbal cures....you people need to wake up, your just as guilty as they are....don't tell this woman to wake up she is very much awake...which is more then what I can say to you sorry people that can't engage your children into more productive activity to protect the environment and rights of animals.....you all get off easy putting your kid in a cage with an abused animal and you think your TEACHING or putting a star on your forehead for being a good parent....do your homework first!!!! Also, PETA along with other animal groups are all around...what do you think your local animal shelters, PAWS, etc.....what do you think they do...Also, The circus animals are also in a mess of abuse....pay attention and get involved...Don't attend GIB. Trade Center Circus......I wonder how many of you people that gave your hard earned money or welfare check money to this group just ignored putting a good meal on your table for your kids....Oh I know I forgot people like you get off easy.....processed food for the kids...right...$1.00 burgers at mcdonalds....PS.....I'm proud of my kids they wanted NO part of this! " go michigan
" I'm not a member of PETA but would NEVER EVER put my kids in a cage with a wild animal.....I don't ever want them to think that it is cute or FAIR to the animal, they do not need to be in cages they need to be in their natural environment.....free....not caged! City of Taylor and Southland should be ashamed for allowing this! I'm HAPPY this girl made the phone call....we need more people like her... " non member of PeTA
" while everyone who paid money to sit with an exotic animal and said it was a great family moment talk about wake up and smell the real world if u thought that was so great an experience WHAT ABOUT THE ANIMALS where are their parents? how about the family experience for the wild animals?For areal family experience try the park, playing catch with ur kids when are parents going to get it MEMORIES CANNOT BE BOUGHT THEY MUST BE EXPERIENCED!!Thankfully this woman knew that and tried to point that out, good for her THANK YOU!!! " wendy
" I was at the mall today doing some shopping with my son. We didn't even know about the 'show' until we were walking through the mall.
We wandered over and looked into one of the cages. There was a man sitting on the floor, holding his toddler daughter. The little girl was terrified of the baby tiger. She was screaming and kicking at the tiger. I think she made contact at one point. The employee never suggested the child be taken out of the cage, nor did the father have enough brains to cut the 'visit' short.
Now, repeat that scenario several times a day, in different cities, year round and tell me that these animals aren't being exploited and mistreated. It made me sick.
I am not a member of PETA. I agree that the organization is full of kooks. They were correct in their assessment of this 'show', however. " calumet
" This is another sad excuse for an “educational show”, where in reality these animals are being exploited for one reason only – monetary gain. These cute baby tiger and lion cubs will grow up to be 300-500 lb big cats and are destined for a life in captivity or worse, can end up in canned hunts or killed for the black market. There are more tigers in captivity in the United States then there are in the wild. Until laws are passed restricting private ownership and exploitation of these great cats, this type of animal cruelty will continue. For more information about “Big Cat Exhibition” visit: http://www.bigcatrescue.org/bigcatexhibition.htm " tigress62
Why would you ask such a question? "Are you with them 24/7"? Well, what you do think? NO! That is why I said hopefully, they get fed and are well taken care of. I do not associate with the animals mentioned in this article nor do I know the trainers and/or owners.
Think about this, "protectanimals", they MUST be PROPERLY TRAINED, because why else would this company allow people to GO INSIDE THE CAGES WITH THE ANIMALS? It would be insane to let in-experienced people into a cage with a wild animals, babies or not.
Here's something else to think about. If the animals weren't trained, don't you think the company would of done something about that? Obviously they are, because why would a company like this allow in-experienced people into a cage with a wild animal? I don't post on this blog to argue! " josh
" Josh.....they are pretty harmless at this age........they are far from trained, they are helpless and are used for money (it's a million dollar company), when they get too big they are not used anymore, they only breed them for their shows and once they get a certain age thats it for them.....'cause they can not be on the shows anymore..they sure would not let a child go in a cage with an adult tiger...this person who made the call to the city did it out of concern and I have to agree with her...this company just came in for the money and they will go to the next town....they made alot of money from the downriver residents, they are pros! " " Also, Josh, Those workers would NEVER get in a cage with an adult tiger or lion....Never....the workers are only trained to work the crowd for the money and once again they have duped the public....those poor animals....their fate will not be good...I'm a retired teacher and have been a advocate for animals for many many years and have also known about this G.W. Exotic Animal group for a long time, they are very sly and never let anyone know what town they are going to next. "protectanimals
" How can any reporter do a story about baby lions and tigers at a mall and not investigate how it was that they were bred into such a miserable life and what will happen with them in a couple of months when they are too big to pet. Any one with access to the Internet could easily find out that these precious animals will spend the rest of their lives in tiny, filthy cages, be shot for their pelts, cut up for meat or worse. If people don't know, it is because they choose to be ignorant, but that doesn't ease the suffering. More at Dying To Be Held http://www.bigcatrescue dot org/000news/0articlesbybcr/2008DyingToBeHeld dot htm "
" You are so right BIGCATRESCUE...the news herald was very partial with this article....they could have done more, they wanted this to be just another cute article...shame on them.....most of the article is centered around the people who put on the show...what do you think they are going to say..they are making a lot of money..they sugar coated the whole event..make phone calls and complain...I wonder if they will post any of these comments as a follow up in the paper...and phone calls need to go to the city hall and southland mall for allowing this......Why didn't the news herald reporter talk to the crowd about this animal show? They took one phone call and then went out and let the event employees make it look so great...and why wasn't the permit pulled prior to the show...how come that wasn't asked? How come this animal show wasn't advertised anywhere prior to coming? How come that wasn't asked? You know why...they don't want anyone to know they are coming to a local mall. How come the paper didn't asked "where do the animals go when they are grown, is it right to pull these babies away from the mother, how 'bout the baby kangaroo that should be in the mothers pouch not a purse hanging from a rack....the paper could have done BETTER asking questions.....maybe next time they will send a smarter reporter that thinks outside the box and doesn't just interview the event employees or take cute pictures of these babies....The paper should have had the pictures of reality of these tigers/lions stuck in cages or cut up for meat etc. Dear News Herald...take a good look at your cute little pictures you put in the newspapers of the baby tigers and I hope you always remember that cute little face will be shipped off when too big, sold for meat/hide/herbal and have a life of abuse before they are killed....next time news-herald TELL the whole story! " protectanimals
" PETA, DOESN'T THAT STAND FOR "PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS,
IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, LOOKING AT ANIMALS IN CAGES IS ONE THING, BUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO GO INSIDE THE CAGE WITH A WILD ANIMAL IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, PERHAPS EVERYONE SAW THE HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR IN THE CAGE GETTING HER YEARBOOK PICTURE TAKEN IN MINNESOTA LAST YEAR, SHE WAS MALLED TO DEATH, (ITS OKAY THE TRAINER SAID, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR!) WHAT ABOUT THE TELEVISION COMMERICAL CHIMP WHO RECENTLY ATTACKED BITING A WOMAN HANDS OFF, HER FACE, AND EYES, FORGOT ABOUT SIGFRIED & ROY, OR THE FAMOUS AUSTRALIAN CROCIDILE MAN? THIS WEEK ON THE NEWS A WOMAN FOUGHT OFF A COUGAR WHO ATTACKED HER SON ON A WALKING TRAIL, ANIMALS NEED TO BE SECURED IN A ZOO (TWO YOUNG MEN WERE KILLED RECENTLY AT SAN FRANCISCO ZOO WHEN A LION ESCAPED) LEAVE THEM IN THE WILD, & REMEMBER WHEN YOU VISIT YOU ARE PART OF THE FOOD CHAIN!!!!!!!!1 " hello
" Why would any parent let their child get in a cage with an animal?????This isn't like a visit to santa or the easter bunny. Bad Parenting! " why
" Who CARES to what group the woman who reported it belongs. You people are so busy shooting the messenger you've completely ignored the message.
You REALLY can't see anything wrong with taking babies away from their mothers? THREE WEEK old lion cubs don't send up a red flag with you? Three week old cubs (three MONTH for that matter) should be with their mother, and vice versa. SHAME on this greedy company for exploiting animals (AND taking advantage of people with thicker wallets than brains). " K
" The news herald is a great local paper and they do a good job however they got it wrong with this story. They need to tell the whole true story about this company and the future of these poor animals its like they just protected this company and forgot about the abuse to these animals. " freespeech - 1 year ago
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Tiger Cubs Abused at Mall Awar Tiger Cubs Abused at Mall Awareness Productions
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TAYLOR — When Judi Vig, a member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, saw exotic animals on display Wednesday at Southland Center, it sent alarms off in her mind. She called City Hall to check that everything was in order with the display and to voice concerns about the animals’ welfare. Vig said PETA has had issues with G.W. Exotic Animals of Wynnewood, Okla., which houses the animals Awakening Production uses. Awakening Production came to Southland with lion and tiger cubs and a baby kangaroo. It set up a display where people could see the animals, and if they wanted, pay $25 for two people to spend eight minutes in a cage with tiger cubs and a trainer. Today is the show’s last day. Awakening Production had not obtained a permit to hold a special event, which is required, said Joseph Nardone, the city’s executive director of development services. A representative of the company came to City Hall with a letter from Southland Center giving permission for the event and to seek a permit, he said. Ordinance and animal control officers investigated the complaint, he said. Animal control officers found no violations, city officials said. The permit was issued. As of Thursday afternoon, the company was in compliance with all city ordinances, Nardone said. “Getting to touch a baby tiger is a moment in a lifetime,” said Michael Bussey, stage manager for Awakening Production. “You’re seated. You go in with a certified trainer. The tigers will roam around the cage, crawl on your lap, and you can pet them.” There were plenty of takers, from young children to a 93-year-old woman, he said. But mainly, it was young families, especially mothers with their children. Awakening Production also put on a free magic show each day. The purpose behind the magic show is to educate the public about ownership of exotic animals, Bussey said. It booked several visits with General Growth Properties, which owns Southland Center and other malls across the country, Bussey said. Awakening Production came with a 4-month-old white tiger; two 8-week-old tigers, which went into the play cages with visitors; a 13-week-old tiger; two 3-week-old lions; and a 3-month-old kangaroo, said Vicky Welch, road manager and animal caretaker. Fourteen people, including stage crew and animal caretakers, travel with the animals, Welch said.
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all you sorry people that have no clear understanding related to animal rights....The show at Southland was for self gain......Do you all know HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MADE! At the expense of breeding tigers that they can take around the country...to make money off you fools then they give or sell those tigers when they are too big...they end up in China and so on for their herbal cures....you people need to wake up, your just as guilty as they are....don't tell this woman to wake up she is very much awake...which is more then what I can say to you sorry people that can't engage your children into more productive activity to protect the environment and rights of animals.....you all get off easy putting your kid in a cage with an abused animal and you think your TEACHING or putting a star on your forehead for being a good parent....do your homework first!!!! Also, PETA along with other animal groups are all around...what do you think your local animal shelters, PAWS, etc.....what do you think they do...Also, The circus animals are also in a mess of abuse....pay attention and get involved...Don't attend GIB. Trade Center Circus......I wonder how many of you people that gave your hard earned money or welfare check money to this group just ignored putting a good meal on your table for your kids....Oh I know I forgot people like you get off easy.....processed food for the kids...right...$1.00 burgers at mcdonalds....PS.....I'm proud of my kids they wanted NO part of this! " go michigan
" I'm not a member of PETA but would NEVER EVER put my kids in a cage with a wild animal.....I don't ever want them to think that it is cute or FAIR to the animal, they do not need to be in cages they need to be in their natural environment.....free....not caged! City of Taylor and Southland should be ashamed for allowing this! I'm HAPPY this girl made the phone call....we need more people like her... " non member of PeTA
" while everyone who paid money to sit with an exotic animal and said it was a great family moment talk about wake up and smell the real world if u thought that was so great an experience WHAT ABOUT THE ANIMALS where are their parents? how about the family experience for the wild animals?For areal family experience try the park, playing catch with ur kids when are parents going to get it MEMORIES CANNOT BE BOUGHT THEY MUST BE EXPERIENCED!!Thankfully this woman knew that and tried to point that out, good for her THANK YOU!!! " wendy
" I was at the mall today doing some shopping with my son. We didn't even know about the 'show' until we were walking through the mall.
We wandered over and looked into one of the cages. There was a man sitting on the floor, holding his toddler daughter. The little girl was terrified of the baby tiger. She was screaming and kicking at the tiger. I think she made contact at one point. The employee never suggested the child be taken out of the cage, nor did the father have enough brains to cut the 'visit' short.
Now, repeat that scenario several times a day, in different cities, year round and tell me that these animals aren't being exploited and mistreated. It made me sick.
I am not a member of PETA. I agree that the organization is full of kooks. They were correct in their assessment of this 'show', however. " calumet
" This is another sad excuse for an “educational show”, where in reality these animals are being exploited for one reason only – monetary gain. These cute baby tiger and lion cubs will grow up to be 300-500 lb big cats and are destined for a life in captivity or worse, can end up in canned hunts or killed for the black market. There are more tigers in captivity in the United States then there are in the wild. Until laws are passed restricting private ownership and exploitation of these great cats, this type of animal cruelty will continue. For more information about “Big Cat Exhibition” visit: http://www.bigcatrescue.org/bigcatexhibition.htm " tigress62
Why would you ask such a question? "Are you with them 24/7"? Well, what you do think? NO! That is why I said hopefully, they get fed and are well taken care of. I do not associate with the animals mentioned in this article nor do I know the trainers and/or owners.
Think about this, "protectanimals", they MUST be PROPERLY TRAINED, because why else would this company allow people to GO INSIDE THE CAGES WITH THE ANIMALS? It would be insane to let in-experienced people into a cage with a wild animals, babies or not.
Here's something else to think about. If the animals weren't trained, don't you think the company would of done something about that? Obviously they are, because why would a company like this allow in-experienced people into a cage with a wild animal? I don't post on this blog to argue! " josh
" Josh.....they are pretty harmless at this age........they are far from trained, they are helpless and are used for money (it's a million dollar company), when they get too big they are not used anymore, they only breed them for their shows and once they get a certain age thats it for them.....'cause they can not be on the shows anymore..they sure would not let a child go in a cage with an adult tiger...this person who made the call to the city did it out of concern and I have to agree with her...this company just came in for the money and they will go to the next town....they made alot of money from the downriver residents, they are pros! " " Also, Josh, Those workers would NEVER get in a cage with an adult tiger or lion....Never....the workers are only trained to work the crowd for the money and once again they have duped the public....those poor animals....their fate will not be good...I'm a retired teacher and have been a advocate for animals for many many years and have also known about this G.W. Exotic Animal group for a long time, they are very sly and never let anyone know what town they are going to next. "protectanimals
" How can any reporter do a story about baby lions and tigers at a mall and not investigate how it was that they were bred into such a miserable life and what will happen with them in a couple of months when they are too big to pet. Any one with access to the Internet could easily find out that these precious animals will spend the rest of their lives in tiny, filthy cages, be shot for their pelts, cut up for meat or worse. If people don't know, it is because they choose to be ignorant, but that doesn't ease the suffering. More at Dying To Be Held http://www.bigcatrescue dot org/000news/0articlesbybcr/2008DyingToBeHeld dot htm "
" You are so right BIGCATRESCUE...the news herald was very partial with this article....they could have done more, they wanted this to be just another cute article...shame on them.....most of the article is centered around the people who put on the show...what do you think they are going to say..they are making a lot of money..they sugar coated the whole event..make phone calls and complain...I wonder if they will post any of these comments as a follow up in the paper...and phone calls need to go to the city hall and southland mall for allowing this......Why didn't the news herald reporter talk to the crowd about this animal show? They took one phone call and then went out and let the event employees make it look so great...and why wasn't the permit pulled prior to the show...how come that wasn't asked? How come this animal show wasn't advertised anywhere prior to coming? How come that wasn't asked? You know why...they don't want anyone to know they are coming to a local mall. How come the paper didn't asked "where do the animals go when they are grown, is it right to pull these babies away from the mother, how 'bout the baby kangaroo that should be in the mothers pouch not a purse hanging from a rack....the paper could have done BETTER asking questions.....maybe next time they will send a smarter reporter that thinks outside the box and doesn't just interview the event employees or take cute pictures of these babies....The paper should have had the pictures of reality of these tigers/lions stuck in cages or cut up for meat etc. Dear News Herald...take a good look at your cute little pictures you put in the newspapers of the baby tigers and I hope you always remember that cute little face will be shipped off when too big, sold for meat/hide/herbal and have a life of abuse before they are killed....next time news-herald TELL the whole story! " protectanimals
" PETA, DOESN'T THAT STAND FOR "PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS,
IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, LOOKING AT ANIMALS IN CAGES IS ONE THING, BUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO GO INSIDE THE CAGE WITH A WILD ANIMAL IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, PERHAPS EVERYONE SAW THE HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR IN THE CAGE GETTING HER YEARBOOK PICTURE TAKEN IN MINNESOTA LAST YEAR, SHE WAS MALLED TO DEATH, (ITS OKAY THE TRAINER SAID, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR!) WHAT ABOUT THE TELEVISION COMMERICAL CHIMP WHO RECENTLY ATTACKED BITING A WOMAN HANDS OFF, HER FACE, AND EYES, FORGOT ABOUT SIGFRIED & ROY, OR THE FAMOUS AUSTRALIAN CROCIDILE MAN? THIS WEEK ON THE NEWS A WOMAN FOUGHT OFF A COUGAR WHO ATTACKED HER SON ON A WALKING TRAIL, ANIMALS NEED TO BE SECURED IN A ZOO (TWO YOUNG MEN WERE KILLED RECENTLY AT SAN FRANCISCO ZOO WHEN A LION ESCAPED) LEAVE THEM IN THE WILD, & REMEMBER WHEN YOU VISIT YOU ARE PART OF THE FOOD CHAIN!!!!!!!!1 " hello
" Why would any parent let their child get in a cage with an animal?????This isn't like a visit to santa or the easter bunny. Bad Parenting! " why
" Who CARES to what group the woman who reported it belongs. You people are so busy shooting the messenger you've completely ignored the message.
You REALLY can't see anything wrong with taking babies away from their mothers? THREE WEEK old lion cubs don't send up a red flag with you? Three week old cubs (three MONTH for that matter) should be with their mother, and vice versa. SHAME on this greedy company for exploiting animals (AND taking advantage of people with thicker wallets than brains). " K
" The news herald is a great local paper and they do a good job however they got it wrong with this story. They need to tell the whole true story about this company and the future of these poor animals its like they just protected this company and forgot about the abuse to these animals. " freespeech - 1 year ago
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Tiger Cubs Abused at Mall GW E Tiger Cubs Abused at Mall GW Exotics
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TAYLOR — When Judi Vig, a member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, saw exotic animals on display Wednesday at Southland Center, it sent alarms off in her mind. She called City Hall to check that everything was in order with the display and to voice concerns about the animals’ welfare. Vig said PETA has had issues with G.W. Exotic Animals of Wynnewood, Okla., which houses the animals Awakening Production uses. Awakening Production came to Southland with lion and tiger cubs and a baby kangaroo. It set up a display where people could see the animals, and if they wanted, pay $25 for two people to spend eight minutes in a cage with tiger cubs and a trainer. Today is the show’s last day. Awakening Production had not obtained a permit to hold a special event, which is required, said Joseph Nardone, the city’s executive director of development services. A representative of the company came to City Hall with a letter from Southland Center giving permission for the event and to seek a permit, he said. Ordinance and animal control officers investigated the complaint, he said. Animal control officers found no violations, city officials said. The permit was issued. As of Thursday afternoon, the company was in compliance with all city ordinances, Nardone said. “Getting to touch a baby tiger is a moment in a lifetime,” said Michael Bussey, stage manager for Awakening Production. “You’re seated. You go in with a certified trainer. The tigers will roam around the cage, crawl on your lap, and you can pet them.” There were plenty of takers, from young children to a 93-year-old woman, he said. But mainly, it was young families, especially mothers with their children. Awakening Production also put on a free magic show each day. The purpose behind the magic show is to educate the public about ownership of exotic animals, Bussey said. It booked several visits with General Growth Properties, which owns Southland Center and other malls across the country, Bussey said. Awakening Production came with a 4-month-old white tiger; two 8-week-old tigers, which went into the play cages with visitors; a 13-week-old tiger; two 3-week-old lions; and a 3-month-old kangaroo, said Vicky Welch, road manager and animal caretaker. Fourteen people, including stage crew and animal caretakers, travel with the animals, Welch said.
Comments:
all you sorry people that have no clear understanding related to animal rights....The show at Southland was for self gain......Do you all know HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MADE! At the expense of breeding tigers that they can take around the country...to make money off you fools then they give or sell those tigers when they are too big...they end up in China and so on for their herbal cures....you people need to wake up, your just as guilty as they are....don't tell this woman to wake up she is very much awake...which is more then what I can say to you sorry people that can't engage your children into more productive activity to protect the environment and rights of animals.....you all get off easy putting your kid in a cage with an abused animal and you think your TEACHING or putting a star on your forehead for being a good parent....do your homework first!!!! Also, PETA along with other animal groups are all around...what do you think your local animal shelters, PAWS, etc.....what do you think they do...Also, The circus animals are also in a mess of abuse....pay attention and get involved...Don't attend GIB. Trade Center Circus......I wonder how many of you people that gave your hard earned money or welfare check money to this group just ignored putting a good meal on your table for your kids....Oh I know I forgot people like you get off easy.....processed food for the kids...right...$1.00 burgers at mcdonalds....PS.....I'm proud of my kids they wanted NO part of this! " go michigan
" I'm not a member of PETA but would NEVER EVER put my kids in a cage with a wild animal.....I don't ever want them to think that it is cute or FAIR to the animal, they do not need to be in cages they need to be in their natural environment.....free....not caged! City of Taylor and Southland should be ashamed for allowing this! I'm HAPPY this girl made the phone call....we need more people like her... " non member of PeTA
" while everyone who paid money to sit with an exotic animal and said it was a great family moment talk about wake up and smell the real world if u thought that was so great an experience WHAT ABOUT THE ANIMALS where are their parents? how about the family experience for the wild animals?For areal family experience try the park, playing catch with ur kids when are parents going to get it MEMORIES CANNOT BE BOUGHT THEY MUST BE EXPERIENCED!!Thankfully this woman knew that and tried to point that out, good for her THANK YOU!!! " wendy
" I was at the mall today doing some shopping with my son. We didn't even know about the 'show' until we were walking through the mall.
We wandered over and looked into one of the cages. There was a man sitting on the floor, holding his toddler daughter. The little girl was terrified of the baby tiger. She was screaming and kicking at the tiger. I think she made contact at one point. The employee never suggested the child be taken out of the cage, nor did the father have enough brains to cut the 'visit' short.
Now, repeat that scenario several times a day, in different cities, year round and tell me that these animals aren't being exploited and mistreated. It made me sick.
I am not a member of PETA. I agree that the organization is full of kooks. They were correct in their assessment of this 'show', however. " calumet
" This is another sad excuse for an “educational show”, where in reality these animals are being exploited for one reason only – monetary gain. These cute baby tiger and lion cubs will grow up to be 300-500 lb big cats and are destined for a life in captivity or worse, can end up in canned hunts or killed for the black market. There are more tigers in captivity in the United States then there are in the wild. Until laws are passed restricting private ownership and exploitation of these great cats, this type of animal cruelty will continue. For more information about “Big Cat Exhibition” visit: http://www.bigcatrescue.org/bigcatexhibition.htm " tigress62
Why would you ask such a question? "Are you with them 24/7"? Well, what you do think? NO! That is why I said hopefully, they get fed and are well taken care of. I do not associate with the animals mentioned in this article nor do I know the trainers and/or owners.
Think about this, "protectanimals", they MUST be PROPERLY TRAINED, because why else would this company allow people to GO INSIDE THE CAGES WITH THE ANIMALS? It would be insane to let in-experienced people into a cage with a wild animals, babies or not.
Here's something else to think about. If the animals weren't trained, don't you think the company would of done something about that? Obviously they are, because why would a company like this allow in-experienced people into a cage with a wild animal? I don't post on this blog to argue! " josh
" Josh.....they are pretty harmless at this age........they are far from trained, they are helpless and are used for money (it's a million dollar company), when they get too big they are not used anymore, they only breed them for their shows and once they get a certain age thats it for them.....'cause they can not be on the shows anymore..they sure would not let a child go in a cage with an adult tiger...this person who made the call to the city did it out of concern and I have to agree with her...this company just came in for the money and they will go to the next town....they made alot of money from the downriver residents, they are pros! " " Also, Josh, Those workers would NEVER get in a cage with an adult tiger or lion....Never....the workers are only trained to work the crowd for the money and once again they have duped the public....those poor animals....their fate will not be good...I'm a retired teacher and have been a advocate for animals for many many years and have also known about this G.W. Exotic Animal group for a long time, they are very sly and never let anyone know what town they are going to next. "protectanimals
" How can any reporter do a story about baby lions and tigers at a mall and not investigate how it was that they were bred into such a miserable life and what will happen with them in a couple of months when they are too big to pet. Any one with access to the Internet could easily find out that these precious animals will spend the rest of their lives in tiny, filthy cages, be shot for their pelts, cut up for meat or worse. If people don't know, it is because they choose to be ignorant, but that doesn't ease the suffering. More at Dying To Be Held http://www.bigcatrescue dot org/000news/0articlesbybcr/2008DyingToBeHeld dot htm "
" You are so right BIGCATRESCUE...the news herald was very partial with this article....they could have done more, they wanted this to be just another cute article...shame on them.....most of the article is centered around the people who put on the show...what do you think they are going to say..they are making a lot of money..they sugar coated the whole event..make phone calls and complain...I wonder if they will post any of these comments as a follow up in the paper...and phone calls need to go to the city hall and southland mall for allowing this......Why didn't the news herald reporter talk to the crowd about this animal show? They took one phone call and then went out and let the event employees make it look so great...and why wasn't the permit pulled prior to the show...how come that wasn't asked? How come this animal show wasn't advertised anywhere prior to coming? How come that wasn't asked? You know why...they don't want anyone to know they are coming to a local mall. How come the paper didn't asked "where do the animals go when they are grown, is it right to pull these babies away from the mother, how 'bout the baby kangaroo that should be in the mothers pouch not a purse hanging from a rack....the paper could have done BETTER asking questions.....maybe next time they will send a smarter reporter that thinks outside the box and doesn't just interview the event employees or take cute pictures of these babies....The paper should have had the pictures of reality of these tigers/lions stuck in cages or cut up for meat etc. Dear News Herald...take a good look at your cute little pictures you put in the newspapers of the baby tigers and I hope you always remember that cute little face will be shipped off when too big, sold for meat/hide/herbal and have a life of abuse before they are killed....next time news-herald TELL the whole story! " protectanimals
" PETA, DOESN'T THAT STAND FOR "PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS,
IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, LOOKING AT ANIMALS IN CAGES IS ONE THING, BUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO GO INSIDE THE CAGE WITH A WILD ANIMAL IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, PERHAPS EVERYONE SAW THE HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR IN THE CAGE GETTING HER YEARBOOK PICTURE TAKEN IN MINNESOTA LAST YEAR, SHE WAS MALLED TO DEATH, (ITS OKAY THE TRAINER SAID, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR!) WHAT ABOUT THE TELEVISION COMMERICAL CHIMP WHO RECENTLY ATTACKED BITING A WOMAN HANDS OFF, HER FACE, AND EYES, FORGOT ABOUT SIGFRIED & ROY, OR THE FAMOUS AUSTRALIAN CROCIDILE MAN? THIS WEEK ON THE NEWS A WOMAN FOUGHT OFF A COUGAR WHO ATTACKED HER SON ON A WALKING TRAIL, ANIMALS NEED TO BE SECURED IN A ZOO (TWO YOUNG MEN WERE KILLED RECENTLY AT SAN FRANCISCO ZOO WHEN A LION ESCAPED) LEAVE THEM IN THE WILD, & REMEMBER WHEN YOU VISIT YOU ARE PART OF THE FOOD CHAIN!!!!!!!!1 " hello
" Why would any parent let their child get in a cage with an animal?????This isn't like a visit to santa or the easter bunny. Bad Parenting! " why
" Who CARES to what group the woman who reported it belongs. You people are so busy shooting the messenger you've completely ignored the message.
You REALLY can't see anything wrong with taking babies away from their mothers? THREE WEEK old lion cubs don't send up a red flag with you? Three week old cubs (three MONTH for that matter) should be with their mother, and vice versa. SHAME on this greedy company for exploiting animals (AND taking advantage of people with thicker wallets than brains). " K
" The news herald is a great local paper and they do a good job however they got it wrong with this story. They need to tell the whole true story about this company and the future of these poor animals its like they just protected this company and forgot about the abuse to these animals. " freespeech - 1 year ago
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Lion Re-Union Debunked Lion Re-Union Debunked
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Description:From: Big Cat Rescue's website: We never ceased to be amazed at how quickly a stupid idea is spread around. If you have had Internet access for more than a week, you have probably had someone send you a link to a 1971 video clip of two guys hugging a lion that they raised as a pet and then sent to Africa when they couldn't play with him anymore. The people passing this around obviously know nothing about big cats, or they could see that in the re-union featured below, the male is still a kitten (hardly any mane) so despite his large size, his brain is still that of a dependent cub. Most of the big cats you see in circus acts, road side petting booths and night club acts are under the age of five because they look big to the public, but have not fully developed mentally. Passing this video around is a bad idea for a number of reasons. It perpetuates the nonsense that people can have a bond with the king of beasts, just like with their dog. It encourages people to buy these magnificent animals or buy the right to touch one, which only fuels the trade. As long as people will pay, there will be people who will breed more big cats to live miserable lives of confinement and deprivation. If someone sends the video clip to you, please send them to this page so that we can stop the viral marketing of a campaign that is designed only to cause suffering and pain. The following is what is known of the story behind the clip. The British documentary ?Christian the Lion? is a fascinating example of life imitating art. In this case, the art was the 1966 film classic ?Born Free? starring Bill Travers and Virginia McKenna. That film was based on the real-life story of George and Joy Adamson and their successful efforts to re-introduce an orphaned lion into the wilderness. (What most people do not know is that Elsa didn't live long on her own due to the fact that is impossible for a person to teach a big cat everything they need to know to survive without the cat coming to not have a healthy fear of going near people.) ?Christian the Lion? found Travers and McKenna in an advanced case of déjà vu. In 1970, they were shopping for a desk and ventured into the World?s End furniture store on the King?s Road in London. The store managers, the Australian duo John Rendall and Ace Berg, recognized Travers and decided to show him the store?s mascot: a young lion. Rendall and Berg had purchased the lion from the Harrod?s department store a year earlier and were raising him on their own. But, of course, a furniture store is no place to keep a lion ? and the combined salaries of two furniture store managers were barely keeping the animal fed. Travers and McKenna, who had become highly visible as animal rights activists following the success of ?Born Free,? realized that the lion could not be kept as a domestic pet. And selling him to a zoo seemed like a cruel idea ? zoo design was still fairly primitive in the early 1970s and imprisoning a majestic lion in a stark cage was a ghastly notion. Thus, Travers and McKenna decided to reprise their ?Born Free? odyssey and called on George Adamson for an unlikely plan: to bring the London lion to Africa and teach him how to be a wild animal at home with nature. (Joy Adamson had separated from her husband in 1970 and, thus, was not a part of this venture.) Travers and McKenna also decided to record this story as a documentary. The resulting ?Christian the Lion? actually gets off on a bit of a strange opening, with a clumsy recreation of the actors? initial discovery of Christian. For starters, the sound is badly out-of-sync ? watching the opening sequence is disconcerting, as it is easy to assume the production is an amateur outing. Even worse, the facts have been trimmed to the bone. Contrary to the film?s assertion, Christian?s presence was not a surprise to everyone ? the lion was actually something of a minor celebrity in London before Travers and McKenna showed up, and it was even featured in a fashion advertising campaign. Furthermore, the film ignores Rendall and Berg?s respective girlfriends, who helped in the care and maintenance of Christian. Rendall also wrote a book called ?A Lion Called Christian,? but that?s not cited here. After that initial clumsy segment is over, ?Christian the Lion? finds its traction and is presented as a real-time, real-life adventure. Travers and McKenna invited Christian and his owners to live with them while arrangements are made to transport him to Africa. They took the lion on outings for a spot of exercise ? a romp in a closed-off church courtyard (with the vicar watching nervously from behind a curtained window) and a visit to the beach. The latter trip might have prompted the inclusion of the old British music hall ditty ?Oh, We Do Like to be Beside the Seaside,? but instead the film?s score is provided in hippy-dippy melodies by the English folk-rockers Pentangle. Getting Christian to Kenya required a great deal of negotiations with the Kenyan government (obviously they had enough lions and weren?t eager to import one from England). Travers and McKenna, who alternate as narrators of the film, mention in passing that dealing with the Kenyan authorities took more time and energy than they expected. Nonetheless, they are able to get Christian transported to Kenya and into the care of George Adamson?s game reserve. The remainder of the film follows Adamson?s efforts to integrate Christian into his new surroundings. That first involved introducing him to other lions ? up until this point, Christian lived exclusively with human company. Adamson tried to create a new pride of lions consisting of Christian and three other orphaned animals: the female Katania, the frisky tyke Super Cub, and a male lion named Boy who took an immediate dislike to Christian. However, once Boy and Christian determined the pecking order among them (Boy won the Alpha Male spot), the two became happy blokes. Adamson?s next challenge was getting this new pride to take care of itself in the wild. The lions had to learn to hunt and to defend themselves from other lions that roamed Adamson?s preserve. Did Christian and his new family make it in the wild (if you can call the preserve, the wild)? If so, how long? Does anyone know? There is a sequence late in the film that will soften even the most cynical of hard-hearts. The finds McKenna at a zoo in Amsterdam, where she has located Christian?s parents. The two lions are locked in a small, bare cage with a concrete floor. They pace endlessly and monotonously back and forth. It is tragic to behold these beautiful animals in such cruel captivity, and the viewer knows the beasts will never experience the chance for freedom that their offspring experienced. Details on the production history for ?Christian the Lion? are somewhat difficult to track down. Some sources list the film as a 1971 production, others claim it was from 1976. One online source states the film was produced in conjunction with Rendall?s book, which came out in 1972, so that would probably put the film?s production closer to the earlier date. Also, a recent article in the Daily Mail outlines a 1974 reunion between Christian and his London buddies, but that meeting also included Christian?s lioness and cubs. There is no mention of this in the film, so I would assume the production wrapped in 1971 (it would seem peculiar to leave this post-script from the film). 1976 most likely reflects the year the film played in the U.S. The film also has something of a problem with its name. The original British title was ?The Lion at World?s End,? a reference to the London neighborhood where Christian was raised. However, that reference had no meaning outside of the U.K., so the film was given a new title for its American release: ?The Lion Who Thought He Was People.? The film?s U.S. distributor, Scotia American, created a poster with Christian wearing big round eyeglasses ? making him look like the leonine equivalent of the cartoon canine Mr. Peabody. Of course, that title was even worse than the original, and the film was renamed ?Christian the Lion? for its U.S. and global distribution. In the U.K., it is now called ?Christian ? The Lion at World?s End.? There are also a few sources that insist ?The Lion at World?s End? and ?Christian the Lion? are two different movies. That is not the case. Scotia American went out of business in the mid-1970s and nobody seems to be claiming the film?s U.S. rights. Several distributors who specialize in public domain titles have been offering faded, muddy prints of ?Christian the Lion? on home video and DVD.
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Black Leopard Shot in Neosho, Black Leopard Shot in Neosho, MO
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Wed, May 21 2008
— By Jeff Lehr
jlehr@joplinglobe.com
NEOSHO, Mo. — A Newton County deputy shot and killed a large, black
cat of uncertain species Monday morning when the animal, either a
leopard or a jaguar, charged him.
Capt. Richard Leavens of the Newton County Sheriff's Department said
Vickie Sanders, 61, called shortly after 6 a.m. Monday to report what
she took to be "a black panther" at the door of her home at 9555
Orchid Drive, southwest of Neosho.
When Cpl. Donn Hall of the Sheriff's Department arrived, he spotted a
large, black cat standing on its hind legs and pawing at a storm door
of the home.
"When he got out of his car, it charged him," Leavens said. "He fired
on it and wounded it. It ran past him to the end of the driveway and
then came back at him."
Hall left his patrol car with a shotgun and fired two shots on the
cat's initial charge, Leavens said. As the cat charged a second time,
Hall fired additional shotgun blasts and then pulled his .45-caliber
Glock handgun, he said.
"It took several shots with that to get one that took effect,"
Leavens said.
Hall escaped any injury from the cat, as did Sanders and her dogs,
Leavens said.
Sanders had been hanging some laundry on a clothesline in her yard
when the cat appeared and started toward her, Leavens said. She told
the Sheriff's Department that one of her dogs "intercepted" the cat,
allowing her time to get inside her home along with her dogs.
The cat then began pawing on the door of the home and kept it up
until Hall arrived, Leavens said.
A state Conservation Department officer was called to the scene after
the animal was killed. While the species of the animal was not
immediately certain, the suspicion was that it was not accustomed to
living in the wild.
"This most likely was a kept animal that either had been dumped out
or had gotten away," Leavens said.
He said officers could see, after it had been killed, that its claws
had been surgically removed.
He said there has been some speculation that the cat might have been
on the loose in the wake of the recent tornado damage in the region.
The animal's body was taken to Scott's Taxidermy in Newton County.
James Dixon, a wildlife damage biologist with the Missouri Department
of Conservation office in Springfield, went there to take a look at
it late Tuesday afternoon.
"We're going to have to do some further research to tell exactly what
it is," Dixon told the Globe after his initial look. "It's either a
leopard or a jaguar."
Leopards are native to both Africa and Asia, with black leopards
found in Africa. Jaguars are indigenous to South America, Central
America and certain parts of the southwestern United States. But
black jaguars are practically unheard of in the United States.
"When you look at it very closely, you can see spots," Dixon said of
the animal that was killed.
He said it will require some skull and teeth measurements to
ascertain the species. Tissue samples could be taken if those
measurements are not conclusive, he said.
The fatal shot appeared to have been a round from the Glock that
struck the cat in the chest, Dixon said.
Even the weight of the animal remained uncertain Tuesday. The
Sheriff's Department had estimated it at 50 to 60 pounds, the
taxidermist at 40 pounds. Dixon said the animal appeared to have been
well-fed, even fat, perhaps from having been kept in a cage. But its
stomach seemed empty, which might explain its behavior, he said.
"He could have just been coming around looking for a handout," Dixon
said. "Who knows what it was thinking? But that's pretty odd
behavior."
Jaguars and leopards are seldom seen in the wild because they sense
humans long before humans see them and usually have no interest,
Dixon said. He said the Department of Conservation does not regulate
either leopards or jaguars because neither is deemed a species
indigenous to Missouri.
"I guess the important thing about this from a conservation
standpoint is that people should know there is not a population of
large, black cats wreaking havoc across southern Missouri," he said.
Registration
Large cats are required to be registered with sheriff's departments
in Missouri, but this cat was not registered with the Newton County
Sheriff's Department, Capt. Richard Leavens said.
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Diana McCourt 4 Diana McCourt 4
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CX 53.
Ellen Magid, a veterinary medical officer and an Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service supervisory animal care specialist, testified that she had authorized Mr.LaLonde’s investigation and that the explanation accompanying the suspension notice (CX53) was based on a settlement involving another exhibitor. She said the explanation was not intended to be a requirement but only “something to give Ms.Cziraky to help her understand the problems that we were facing and to give her some guidance on how to correct them.” (Tr.660-62, 667, 683-84).
Dr. Peter Kirsten, a United States Department of Agriculture veterinary medical officer, and Richard Porter, a United States Department of Agriculture investigator, went undercover to Respondents’ facility on December2, 2000, during the period when Respondent Diana Cziraky’s Animal Welfare Act license was suspended. Dr. Kirsten and Richard Porter testified that they attended a close encounter with Respondents’ animals on December2, 2000. (Tr. 164-67, 627-30). Dr. Kirsten took photographs and Richard Porter took a video of Respondents’ exhibition of animals that show no distance or barriers between members of the general viewing public and Respondents’ animals and both Dr. Kirsten and Richard Porter each testified without contradiction that there was no distance or barriers between members of the general viewing public and Respondents’ animals (Tr.169, 177-81, 183-84, 190-94, 305, 630-32; CX1, CX54-CX62).
Respondent Diana Cziraky admits that she received the notice of suspension of her Animal Welfare Act license and exhibited animals during the period of suspension, but she states that she exhibited animals during the period of suspension only after being advised by counsel that the notice of suspension was not enforceable, as follows:
[BY MR. ROGOVIN:]
Q.I would like to take you back to your suspension by the USDA.
[BY MS. CZIRAKY:]
A.Okay.
Q.Did you in fact exhibit while under suspension from the USDA?
A.Yes, we did.
Q.Why did you do that?
A.Well, we didn’t at first. It happened on a Friday and I had to wait until I talked to an attorney and the one I talked to is in Akron. His name is Tony -- I have trouble saying his name -- T-S-A-R-O-U or something like that. But the reason I wanted to speak to Tony is that he specializes in laws that pertain to animals and I wasn’t sure what to do or what was going on, so come Monday, we were turning people away. And once people start traveling, we can’t stop. And people come from hours and hours away. So, we were handing out extra gift certificates to use at a later date to compensate for their inconvenience.
I did finally reach Tony on the phone and I talked to him –
Q.What day did you reach him?
A.It would have been on Monday.
Q.The first Monday of your suspension?
A.Yes.
Q.Okay.
A.So, I talked to Tony and I had him on the speaker phone and he said read the letter to me, so I did and he specifically asked me is this paper signed by a judge. I said, no, it is not. Then he asked for it to be faxed over to his office.
Q.Okay.
A.Then I handed it to Jennifer and –
Q.Jennifer Adams?
A.Yes, because she was in the room, so she -- we have two lines, so she faxed it off to his office. He told us to go ahead and continue exhibiting because it was not signed by a judge and it was okay for us to keep running our business.
Q.If he had told you that it was an enforceable order even though it was not signed by a judge, would you have exhibited?
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THE WITNESS: If he had told us that we should listen to the letter, we would have listened to the letter.
BY MR. ROGOVIN:
Q.And you would have not exhibited?
A.Of course not.
Tr.945-47.
When Respondent Diana Cziraky failed to comply with the November2000 suspension order, the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service issued another suspension order on December5, 2000, suspending Respondent Diana Cziraky’s Animal Welfare Act license for 11 days (Tr.667, 945-49; CX33).
At the hearing, Complainant presented a series of witnesses for the purposes of showing the dangerous nature of lions and tigers and showing Respondents exhibited lions and tigers without providing the safeguards to the animals and the public required by the Regulations.
Dr. Kirsten has had experience inspecting Animal Welfare Act licensees exhibiting exotic animals. He said that other licensed exhibitors providing close encounters evaluate both the animals and the people for safety and said he was familiar with incidents where animals have had to be “traumatized” after attacks on their handlers, citing one instance where four bears were shot and another where a tiger was sprayed with pepper. Dr.Kirsten testified that tigers are “ambushers” and “opportunistic predators” which would view a small person, a person with an infirmity, or an elderly person as an “opportunity” and that they attack by biting their prey. He visited The Siberian Tiger Foundation on December2, 2000, and expressed the opinion that encounter groups of 10 or 12 persons are too large to supervise, that there did not appear to be any criteria for selecting persons for encounters, that the safe area was not clearly marked, that the chains allowed the animals too much movement, and that a man standing on a tiger’s chain could not have controlled a 400- or 500-pound tiger if the tiger decided to move. (Tr.166-71, 173-74, 176-78, 181-84, 344).
Dan Hunt, assistant director of the Living Collection for the Columbus (Ohio) Zoo, has had over 20years’ experience handling “large cats,” which includes lions and tigers. The Columbus Zoo, which has an Animal Welfare Act license, uses pepper spray to control the animals. He said, because of their genetic makeup, tigers are programmed predators which have killed thousands of persons in India and that even hand-raising an animal does not “unwire that predisposition.” Dan Hunt said their behavior is unpredictable, their disposition can change in a “split second,” and direct contact with the animals is “inherently dangerous.” A tiger, he said, uses a sweeping motion with its paw to knock small game off balance and when a tiger similarly curves its paw around a human, the tiger thinks it “owns that human being.” Dan Hunt said, under some circumstances, the Columbus Zoo will allow persons to pet tiger cubs up to the age of 6months but even that can constitute a risk. Columbus Zoo board members and their guests, including children, have also been allowed to have encounters with animals. Dan Hunt said that he has been attacked by a tiger at the Columbus Zoo and that a woman was injured by a tiger. (Tr.426, 437-39, 457-58, 462, 472, 483-84, 501, 506-08, 514-15, 917-19).
Baron Julius von Uhl, an exhibitor licensed under the Animal Welfare Act, has worked in circuses and shows as a trainer of lions, tigers, and leopards since 1954. He said that tigers are too dangerous to allow people to interact with them. He has seen a trainer killed and knows others who “got chewed up” and even bought the cats that killed their trainer as publicity for his show. Julius von Uhl said that a cat putting its paw around a person’s leg is demonstrating its dominance and places the person at the “mercy of the animal.” Julius von Uhl said a person standing on a lion’s chain cannot control the animal and the chain could wrap around and break the person’s leg if the animal moved. He uses a whip and stick to control the animals with which he interacts but said a trainer has to be dominant and have the respect of the animals. He said it takes 3years to become a trainer. (Tr.392, 400-10, 413-15).
Alicia Hall, a zoologist called by Respondents as a witness, has studied animal behavior. She said tigers and lions are dangerous but curious animals with short attention spans. While they are predators, she said, socialized tigers do not regard humans as prey. As for the risks involved with the encounters at The Siberian Tiger Foundation, Ms.Hall testified, as follows:
[BY MR.ROGOVIN:]
Q.Based on your experience and observations at the Siberian Tiger Foundation, how would you evaluate the risks of people having close encounters with these tigers?
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[BY MS. HALL:]
THE WITNESS: Inherently, any time any human is around a larger order primate -- or larger order animal, there is a risk. By nature these animals are predators, therefore, they are equipped with equipment to do damage to prey. So, there is an inherent risk.
The question is specifically are risks addressed? It’s a really hard question to answer. I think it’s all a matter of degrees. Like I said, I was a dog groomer. There is not a dog groomer in existence that hasn’t been bit every single day they go to work. You go to work, you get bit. That’s just the rule.
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THE WITNESS: There is a risk involved and it’s just inherent. It’s not that the risk is any greater because these animals [lions and tigers] are vicious or violent. It’s just they have bigger equipment. So, an accidental touch or an accident [sic] move of the head can inflict a larger wound than an accidental movement of a dog’s head, but I don’t think in a controlled environment like [The Siberian Tiger Foundation’s environment], that the risk of intentional damage or intentional infliction of harm is any greater at all. I don’t think there is a significant risk.
Tr.265-66.
Other witnesses were presented to testify that, because of their interest in or love of tigers and lions, they were willing to assume the risk of being injured just to have the opportunity for an encounter with these animals.
Beth Wismar, for example, a faculty member of the College of Medicine, Ohio State University, with a doctorate in anatomy, has been a volunteer teacher at the Columbus Zoo for 14years. She testified that when she visited The Siberian Tiger Foundation she was aware of the danger when she petted the animals. (Tr.801, 805, 810-11, 813).
Marie Collart, a registered nurse, said that she visited The Siberian Tiger Foundation because of her “life-long interest in the big cats.” She said she was aware of the danger and risk of injury. Her comment on her willingness to have encounters with lions and tigers was that “life has risks.” (Tr.752, 780).
Jane Zickau, a vice president of administrative services, Central Ohio Breathing Association, said she visited The Siberian Tiger Foundation because “I am [a] cat lover and an animal lover” and she knew there was a risk and she accepted the risk. Asked if she would return to The Siberian Tiger Foundation despite the incidents that occurred there, she responded: “As soon as this is over, I will go back. Absolutely.” (Tr.784, 799-800).
Anne Taylor, a municipal court judge and a member of the board of the Columbus Zoo, testified that she is an animal lover and photographer. She said that she has had encounters with grizzly bears and with tigers in China, as well as at The Siberian Tiger Foundation, and that “I think there ought to be a place in the world for people to have this personal, unique encounter with animals, particularly the big cats, which I think are probably the most beautiful animal.” She added that leopards have been allowed to attend board meetings at the Columbus Zoo, that a python was allowed to wrap itself around her neck, and that, as part of the Columbus Zoo’s program to allow board members and contributors to the Columbus Zoo to have “behind the scenes” tours and encounters, Judge Taylor’s niece and nephew, 6 and 15years of age, were allowed by the Columbus Zoo to have an encounter with a Siberian tiger weighing between 300 and 400pounds. (Tr.900-01, 903-05, 917-19).
Since Complainant filed the Complaint, Respondents have improved their safety practices. These improvements include shortening the control chains on the animals, using more handlers during close encounters, making encounter groups smaller, not allowing children under the age of 16 to have close encounters, and acquiring a tranquilizer gun. (Tr.938, 1035).
DISCUSSION
Complainant contends Respondents repeatedly violated the handling provisions of section 2.131(b)(1) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. § 2.131(b)(1)) in a manner that placed the public and the exhibited animals at risk of harm.
Respondents argue, inter alia, that there was no violation of the Animal Welfare Act as it relates to the public. Respondents contend that section 2.131(b)(1) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. § 2.131(b)(1)) purporting to deal with public safety exceeds the scope of the Animal Welfare Act because the fundamental purpose of the Animal Welfare Act is to insure the humane treatment of animals and that “there is nothing in the Act which even suggests the purpose of protecting the public against animals.” (Respondents’ Post-Hearing Brief at 9). Respondents argue “Congress did not authorize the Secretary to become the general guardian of public safety where animals are concerned. It is not the function of [an administrative proceeding] to rectify each and every perceived threat or actual injury to the public simply because a holder of a license under the Act becomes the subject of publicity and Complainant suffers some embarrassment. There are local courts, laws and remedies for this.” (Respondents’ Post-Hearing Brief at 12-13). As Respondents contend, the historic police power of a state or municipality to regulate animals has not been supplanted by the Animal Welfare Act. DeHart v. Town of Austin , 39 F.3d 718 (7th Cir. 1994).
Complainant counters with the argument that Congress intended that animals be exhibited in a manner that is safe for both animals and the public because the Animal Welfare Act refers to the public concern for animals and that, before there can be an exhibition, animals must be exposed to the public. Complainant further argues the lack of adequate safeguards when animals are exhibited can lead to injuries to the public which, in turn, can result in the animals being subjected to unnecessary discomfort or harm through such means as being hit with a stick, sprayed with a CO2 fire extinguisher, or even being killed. (Complainant’s Post-Hearing Brief at2-5). Respondents argue that this discomfort, which Respondents contend is momentary, is a necessary disciplinary means of controlling the animal (Respondents’ Post-Hearing Brief at2).
The purpose of the Animal Welfare Act, as it relates to exhibited animals, is to insure that they are provided humane care and treatment (7U.S.C. § 2131). The Secretary of Agriculture is specifically authorized to promulgate regulations to govern the humane handling of animals by exhibitors (7U.S.C. §§ 2143(a), 2151). The Regulations deal almost exclusively with the care and treatment of animals. However, section 2.131(b)(1) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. § 2.131(b)(1)) also provides that exhibited animals must be handled in a manner that assures not only their safety but also the safety of the public.
Animals that attack or harm members of the public are at risk of being harmed. The record establishes that effective methods of extricating people from the grip of an animal can cause the animal harm and can cause the animal’s death (Tr. 406-07, 409-10, 458-59, 671-72). Even after an animal attacks a person, the animal is at risk of being harmed for revenge or for public safety reasons (Tr.520-21, 671). Respondents often sprayed their animals with vinegar or struck their animals when the animals bit members of the public. Occasionally, Respondents sprayed their animals with CO2 fire extinguishers to stop an attack. (Tr.27, 937-38, 992-93). Respondent Diana Cziraky testified that her first tiger that attacked a small girl was confiscated by the health department and decapitated to test it for rabies (Tr.926-27, 949). Thus, section 2.131(b)(1) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. § 2.131(b)(1)), which requires that, during public exhibition, animals be handled so there is minimal risk of harm to the public, with sufficient distance or barriers or distance and barriers between the animals and the general viewing public so as to assure the safety of the public, is directly related to the humane care and treatment of animals and within the authority granted to the Secretary of Agriculture under the Animal Welfare Act.
Complainant contends the incidents where members of the public were injured were the direct result of Respondents’ failures to handle their animals as required by section 2.131(b)(1) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. § 2.131(b)(1)). Specifically, Complainant alleges Respondents’ following practices led to the incidents where persons were injured and were therefore violations: (a)allowing small children to have direct contact with adult lions and tigers without having adequate barriers or controls; (b)allowing persons to be placed in the position of appearing as prey to the animals; (c)allowing animals to be exhibited to the public without having adequately trained and experienced personnel to control the animals; (d)using chains to tether the animals that were inadequate to prevent the animals from injuring people; (e)using ineffective measures, such as hitting the animals or spraying the animals with vinegar to control the animals; (f)allowing encounter groups that were too large to supervise; and (g)failing to provide a safe distance between the animals and the public (Complainant’s Post-Hearing Brief at 12-31).
Respondents argue the Secretary of Agriculture has not issued standards covering the practices used by Respondents in handling and exhibiting animals. Respondents state the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service was aware of Respondents’ practices through its inspections of Respondents’ facility and had therefore, in effect, approved them. Respondents contend, therefore, that, in the absence of standards, the practices that they followed must be considered adequate. (Respondents’ Post-Hearing Brief at 1-7).
“In order to satisfy constitutional due process requirements, regulations must be sufficiently specific to give regulated parties adequate notice of the conduct they require or prohibit.” Freeman United Coal Mining Co. v. Federal Mine Safety and Health Review Comm’n , 108 F.3d 358, 362 (D.C. Cir. 1997); “Traditional concepts of due process incorporated into administrative law preclude an agency from penalizing a private party for violating a rule without first providing adequate notice of the substance of the rule.” Satellite Broadcasting Co. v. FCC , 824 F.2d 1, 3 (D.C. Cir. 1987). Section 2.131(b)(1) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. § 2.131(b)(1)) specifically requires Respondents to handle animals during public exhibition so there is minimal risk of harm to the animals and the public with sufficient distance or barriers or distance and barriers between the animals and the general viewing public so as to assure the safety of the animals and the public.
The evidence presented by Complainant overwhelmingly establishes that lions and tigers are instinctive and dangerous predators. They can be trained but not tamed. Even when trained, these powerful animals can inflict serious injuries on people as demonstrated not only by the incidents at Respondents’ facility, but also by the incidents referred to at the Columbus Zoo, the incidents involving handlers referred to by Dr.Kirsten, and the incidents involving injuries to trainers referred to by Baron Julius vonUhl.
Respondents’ lions and tigers are simply too large, too strong, too quick, and too unpredictable for a person (or persons) to restrain the animal or for a member of the public in contact with one of the lions or tigers to have the time to move to safety. Respondents’ animals had a history of injuring members of the public and a history of being hit and sprayed with vinegar in order to stop their attacks on members of the public. Nonetheless, Respondents failed to have any distance or barriers between their animals and the general viewing public. I conclude section 2.131(b)(1) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. § 2.131(b)(1)) provides Respondents with adequate notice of the manner in which Respondents’ animals are required to be handled during public exhibition. Given the size, quickness, strength, and unpredictability of Respondents’ animals, Respondents should have known that some distance or barrier between Respondents’ animals and the general viewing public is necessary so as to assure the safety of Respondents’ animals and the public.
The incidents that occurred at Respondents’ facility during the period February28, 2000, through December2, 2000, show that Respondents were not in compliance with the handling requirements of section 2.131(b)(1) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. § 2.131(b)(1)). Therefore, by failing to handle animals during public exhibitions so there was minimal risk of harm to the animals and the public and by failing to maintain sufficient distance or barriers or distance and barriers between the animals and the general viewing public so as to assure the safety of the animals and the public, Respondents willfully violated section 2.131(b)(1) of the Regulations (9 C.F.R. § 2.131(b)(1)).
Section 2.10(c) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. § 2.10(c)) prohibits any person whose Animal Welfare Act license has been suspended from exhibiting any animal during the period of suspension. Respondents do not argue that section 2.10(c) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. §2.10(c)) fails to provide them with adequate notice of the conduct which is prohibited. I conclude that section 2.10(c) of the Regulations (9C.F.R. § 2.10(c)) provides exhibitors with adequate notice of the conduct which is prohibited.
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Subject: PE members are threatening you?
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
From: SOUTHZOO@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:38:50 EST
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carole- BCR comments- My responseIn a message dated 2/17/2006 12:37:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tigers9@cox.net writes:U mean kind of like a bullet?...;-) it depends if u r on the receiving end
or not.;-)ROFL! Yup, fully loaded!
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Phoenix_Exotics/ Subject: Comment from GreenPeople directory
Hello,
We received the following comment from tigers9@cox.net regarding your listing at:
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
The comment is:Wasn't Carole Baskin/Lewis formerly called Widlife on Easy Streeta breeder, and most of her animals she bought/bred herself,or got retired tigers from Ringling,who pay for their upkeep?See link to her book where she admits it: http://www.species.net/Carnivora/General/Easy/Easy indx.html I also own her video,BIG CAT COMPANIONS on breeding exotic cats.
Subject: Comment from GreenPeople directory
Hello,
We received the following comment from azooforu@yahoo.com regarding your listing at:
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
The comment is:
Wildlife on Easy Street is nothing more then a place a greedy woman keeps HER RETIRED BREEDERS at, and some Ringling Circus tigers who are paid for (OVERCHARGED) by the compnay. She higly inflates the cost for enclosures that are secured by hog rings. The land their enclosures are built on was formerly a dump, and junk still pushes it's way to the top
of the animals' enclosures. They have been under investigation for numerous violations to the ANIMAL WELFARE ACT by the USDA. This isn't paradise, it's BUSINESS.Subject: GreenPeople listing: Big Cats and Private Owners
Bob Nevin ( Bob@chnevin.com ) Robert W. Nevin, VP, Recruiting10223 Sablewood Dr. Aurora, Ohio 44202 (Tel) 800-388-7986 (Fax)330-995-3592
has visited your GreenPeople listing:
Big Cat Rescue
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
and is emailing you the following:
Its my right to responibly own a lion. If you don't like that then clam up. I feel real bad that you can not educate people on how to work and care for big cats short of saying you can't have them. If owning big cats are banned, then you will see an even greater problem with enforcement because all the cats will be sold on the black market without any papers or breeding certificates. Also a lot more accidents and inexperienced people working with them will get hurt or even worse.
Its very important that you educate people how to work and train the big cats. Also, its very important that we save the species and private owners are doing a good job. I think that you should start realizing and welcoming that fact instead of trying to make a mockery of it.Carole’s Note: GreenPeople decided that the opinions were without merit and did not post these libelous comments. The book link is maintained by one of our opponents who hides behind a bulk registrar and the text is not endorsed by Carole Baskin or Big Cat Rescue.
Linda Hunnicutt lndmonk@yahoo.com Brought pet monkey from NC into FL and said she left it in her car at Vernon Yates while she protested our Kids, Cats & Candidates day. She had led the group from Phoenix Exotics in coming here from out of state. Linda Hunnicutt of Simply Simian Address: 27 Beaton Path, LeicesterCity, State Zipcode: Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 Her criminal convictions that include bank fraud and charity fraud are HERE .
Email: lndmonk@aol.com
From: lndmonk
To: monkeyyardsale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: [monkeyyardsale] Home againI just got in this afternoon and found 1300 messages none of which I could get too. This computer has gone AWOL. I have had to go to yahoo then back to aol to read the newest ones? what a mess.
Anyway needless to say I deleted the most of them..
I got to Fl on Friday night, really Late, Had a flat on the I 10 INTERSTATE and had to get the Road Rangers out there to help change it and found they couldn't doit either as it has locking nuts on the wheels to keep people from steeling them.. My Son finally told me to tell them to knock off the stud that had the lock on it. which was the solution..
Then had to drive very slowly for the next hundred forty miles which was worse than waiting for the Rangers..lol.. Anyway after staying lost on the interstate interchanges for about an hour I just called and told my son to come get me which he did and found I was only about 10 minutes from his house.lol... I did get there though which is what counts. The demonstration was a good one, have the photos etc and will get them up on the website and in the newsletter comming out in a few days.I did get a lot of aggravation there, those people are really mean. One blonde which I will not mention her name, was put up to pulling my strings, she had the nerve to come up and start asking me questions about what I had in my car, if I had a monkey in there? when I asked her who the hell she was she said Carole Basking, now I think you all know I have a mouth, but I only uttered a few profane words to her and told her to get the FFFFFFF away from me.. I never raised my hand but my Grandaughter was standing there with huge eyes just waiting for the blows to start flying..lol... Of course everyne thought that was really funny.... then Vernon who I entrusted with Buddy during the demonstration came by and put his arm around me and told me we had a little problem... Buddy had opened his cage and was up in a tree? He also learned a few new words ...lol...
It was a wonderful experience, those people are dedicated, serious and working for us all. I got to put faces with names and loved meeting all of them.
We did our job. Only abut 3 cars went into the place while we were there , and one of the candidates read our material and switched sides, grabbed a sign and was standing with us on the street. The cops she had called to keep us from harrassing her guests ( she had very very few of them to harrass) took our flyers thanks to someone who told them their husband was a cop also and eased up on us.
People in that town got the message, the traffic was heavy, and everyone slowed down to see the signs.. They were read. Lots of people would give us the thumb up sign so they must have nad some previous knowledge of BAskins.
The most excitement was when the fire engine flew in with sirens and lights flashing followed by a ambulance.. I actualy was hoping maybe Carol had met with a horrid accident? but we never did find out what the problem was.
I am really dissapointed that Geraldo didn't show up to see the real truth and went ahead and aired the show but from what I heard from someone? it was not a good one and didn't show much of her place at all so he evidently edited it quite a bit. That is a positive thing. Our messages did get through.
That is not the end of it, there will be bigger and better demonstrations and like I said on another list. It aint over till the fat lady sings and I haven't had any voice lessons yet. so we will keep on till we get it right.. After all we are new at this stuff but are learning real quick.
It is good to be home and get some real sleep in my own bed but Karen better get my bed at her house ready cause I am heading out of here next week for Texas... Yeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
It is snowing still here, the ground is frozen and I am movin on south... Buddy told his father tonight he was a southern monkey.. didn't like this hillbilly place.. LOL.....
Linda
Carole&rsq uo;s Note: Name: Linda Hunnicutt of Simply Simian Address: 27 Beaton Path, Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 Email: lndmonk@aol.com She is said to use a number of other names and aliases as well to make it look like several people are responding on an issue, rather than her, or just her.
I did not go up to the group of protestors but did have them filmed to find out who was there. They claim to have had a candidate join them, but all of the candidates who were scheduled to come, did come, with the exception of one woman and I do not know who the man in the photo they are promoting as a candidate was. While she claims only three cars came, we had 178 guests. The officer we hired to manage traffic was not duped by them and knows the trouble that irresponsible exotic animal owners cause in the Tampabay area.
From: lndmonk@yahoo.com
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 11:35 am
Subject: Fla Python bill. lndmonkThis is the bill Carole Baskin is pushing so hard.. it is only a open door
to other more dangerous amendments which will be coming if this is passed...
Everyone keep in mind that we need Fla as a example of regulations that are
fair and working .Fla. Python bill:
It now has a number - HB 1459. The Senate bill still does not but if you
track the house bill, when the Senate companion is ready it will tell you so
you don't always have to keep checking on Posey's reptile bill. I hope you
will give this number to everyone you know so they can track it . That is how
to find out what Committees it gets assigned to and who is on them, When it is
put on the Committee Agenda (in the order the Speaker assigns the
Committees) and where, what time, date, etc., then after, if it was passed,
failed, tp'd (temporarily 'postponed 'Note this doesn't mean passed - but postponed)
.
Once there is a Senate Bill you will want to take its number and go to
Senate bill tracking to find out, the who, when, what, etc. as described above.
(Florida)_SIMPLY SIMIAN INC._ (http://www.simply-simian.com/)
_Repo-Pac_ (http://www.repo-pac.com/)_Grannys against Peta_ (http://www.grannysagainstpeta.com/)
Warrior Grannys strike against Peta. From: Bigcats10@aol.com
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 7:14 am
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] BCR Ban Big Cat Exploitation petition bigcats10In a message dated 3/4/2006 3:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lndmonk@yahoo.com writes:If you notice the very first line on the petition admits she is lobbying .... isn't that against what her non profit status allows?
Here is an excerpt from the IRS re: 501:
Exemption Requirements
To be tax-exempt as an organization described in IRC Section 501(c)(3) of
the Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for one or
more of the purposes set forth in IRC Section 501(c)(3) and none of the
earnings of the organization may inure to any private shareholder or
individual.
In addition, it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial
part of its activities and it may not participate at all in campaign activity
for or against political candidates.
_http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0 ,,id=96099,00.html_
(http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0 ,,id=96099,00.html)Ms. Baskin is on the BOD of Humane USA which is a political group which has the freedom to participate in these activities.
Also, USDA has no jurisdiction over these activities. Contacting the IRS with all of Carole's political maneuvers is an excellent idea. It can't hurt.
Vicki
From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com Raymond Rooney
Date: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] API expose runeraion
This must have happened while I was away but I am dismayed that people here fell for this.Without having read the exchanges I can only guess that they were taken on their word and no checking was done. I would appreciate it if someone could
point me toward the time period when these guys popped up. I'd like to study their approach.This may mark the first time an AR sting has been pulled successfully but it's not the first time someone has come to us wanting to see animals and owners with negative intent.
We all remember the NY Times reporter, the Al Guart "expose'" and court circus, and nibbles from various TV producers. We did get lucky with one UK photographer but that was a fluke.
Strangers are not going to seek us out to tell our wonderful story. There's no percentage in it. It's a poor seller. At best it might make filler in a pet publication but people who come thousands of miles don't do it for penny pieces.
And I don't care how nice you think someone is, you never show them a dirty enclosure, ratty fences, or less-than-perfect specimens. It doesn't matter if they were just sick or if you just rescued them from somewhere, animals in poor condition look bad and give a bad impression.
You can not count on slack from a "fellow exotic owner", especially if you haven't verified that they are owners or seen their place. Carole Baskin is a "fellow exotic owner."
Outfits like API have huge resources and can drag people in from anywhere in the country. Or the world. Sister organizations can supply people if they think you might know their own staff. HSUS, IFAW, and API are global.
Those who had poor conditions and/or animals did a lot of damage and need to clean up their acts. They should expect a visit from some agency - F&W, animal control, humane society, USDA, as appropriate. These people will give names when they see the lawmakers next and documenation is a natural request.
Worse, it will cost Phoenix credibility and scare away those who might have supported its actions. They now have to fear this being used against them if they support us in the future. If the group representing "responsible ownership" is so "bad" what does that leave?
AR people are a lot of things - cultists, fanatical, emotional, and sometimes disturbed - but they are not idiots and are determined liars, two-faced, and well-connected. They WILL lie to your face, assure you they are your friends, share your concerns and goals, and want to help you and your animals then turn around and blow you all to hell.
The ends justify the means.
Remember, to them we are not nice people with interesting jobs or hobbies. We are scum, exploiters, abusers, psychotic, and stupid. There's no shame in lying or doing any other action to horrible people, there's pride.
And if it negates a whole group of opposition people then it was justified and furthers the goal of animal liberation.
Empty cages! Empty cages!
But we should take this away from all this: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Let this be a learning experience. Don't be a show-off. If you can't control the outcome, don't get involved. Even if you are within regulations they make it sound awful - poses with wild animal, animal lives life in small prison, etc.
If they aren't from a trusted group don't let them on the property! Ray
From: <President@...
To: <Phoenix_exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: [Phoenix_Exotics] API exposeOpening Statement given at the Phoenix Exotics meeting, 9am, Feb 24th by
President Jeanne Hall.Welcome to the Phoenix Exotics Meeting.
Due to the nature of this meeting we may possibly have protestors or reporters outside or in attendance. Please refer such folks to Vicki. We have security, and she is in charge.
We also have another similar situation. As many of you know Phoenix Members have been opposing ban legislation from API (Animal Protection Institute) for years. One of the most successful places we have opposed ban bills is Washington State. Well, API has done an undercover operation which they have just released as an "in depth investigation". Actually, a couple of very nice seeming fellows dropped by from overseas. Known on the list as Austrian Tom, he and friend "fred" were welcomed into our homes as fellow exotic owners
visiting our country. This occurred a few months ago. Their report shows they did not understand what they were shown or told. We are supposed to respond to such a violation with terror. We are supposed to run away from the big scary ARA (Animal Rights Activists) and withdraw from the fight. But this violation shows something else much more important. It shows WE are being effective enough against the API that they felt the need to use dirty tricks. There was no need to resort to such deceitful behavior as pretending to befriend owners or intentionally record owners without their consent. In fact, the report tries, hard, through editing the info, to meet their agenda without really hitting the mark. Soon we will have a full response to this report up on the web. With pictures of these undercover agents included. We are NOT running away or hiding. API's cowardly actions only show we ARE having an effect.Message to API: API, we know WHO you are and WHAT you are doing. You are invited back anytime, but this time let US record YOU.
President, Phoenix Exotic Wildlife Association
Jeanne Hall
http://www.PhoenixExotics.ORG
President@...
P.O. Box 1132
Chehalis, WA. 98532
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