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Exotic Animal Stock Video. Lions, Tigers, Bears, Cubs & More! Choose from our online collection! www.walkingwithlions.com
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Big Cats. Huge selection of Big Cat items. Yahoo.com
AnimalLover0104@aol.com is alias email First name is Janice Real email: Chuffer927@aol.com Thinks that people should be allowed contact with Class 1 animals, regardless of size. Supports white tiger breeding and exotic pet trade.
lndmonk@aol.com Has many emails Hates BCR and supports exotic pet trade Claims BCR abuses and breeds Name: Linda Hunnicutt Address: 27 Beaton Path, Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 She uses a number of other names and aliases as well to make it look like several people are responding on an issue, rather than her, or just her.
President, Phoenix Exotic Wildlife Association
Name: Jeanne Hall Website: http://www.PhoenixExotics.org P.O. Box 1132 Chehalis, WA. 98532 Phone: 360-767-0746
Supports exotic pet trade. Hates BCR. Thinks exhibitors and white tiger breeding are ok. Leads exotic pet organization and disagrees with USDA and AZA.
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Gloria Noble Johnson
See an interactive online map of exotic cat owners . See people being stupid with big cats, endangering themselves and others HERE . See the awful conditions that many captive cats endure HERE .
Why is Gloria Johnson trying to discredit Big Cat Rescue?
I had contacted Gloria Johnson after a complaint came in from Tallahassee about her backyard zoo. As someone who started out as an ignorant exotic pet owner myself I figured that Gloria did not mean any
To my knowledge, no one ever grew in the opposite direction. A lot of us who now understand that you can't exhibit a dangerous exotic animal like a pet (whether in person or in photos of us touching the animal) without causing people to want one too. Most people who run accredited sanctuaries started out as buyers and breeders and thought we were doing a good thing, but learned that we were not. I can't name a single person, who started out knowing what we know now, and practicing that belief, that then went backwards and decided it was okay to breed, buy or sell wild animals for life in cages. People either mature to the belief that these animals are too magnificent for lives of deprivation and confinement, or they just don't grow at all. Gloria is passionate and I wanted to see her really make a difference for the cats.
The following is not intended as an attack. I would still like to help Gloria on her path to a better understanding of what her actions do to the animals. I do not doubt her sincerity, only her understanding. The information here is mostly her own words as of 2006 and is posted only to illustrate why she is angry that we are active in Tallahassee. She even posted a blog site that is called the Animal Rights Activists Slammer Blogsite where she encourages people to rail against anyone who would speak out to protect animals. Big Cat Rescue is working hard to stop the breeding, selling, buying, trading and public contact with exotic cats so that places like ours do not have to exist.
Gloria Johnson has a pet white tiger and two pet cougars. She claims to have bought them for education purposes, but to show others your pets and tell them they shouldn't buy big cats as pets is not an effective way to curb the problem. She claims to have rescued Casanova pictured here, but she told Der Spiegel that she mortgaged her house to pay Robert Baudy $5000.00 for him because white tigers usually sell for $15,000.00. Gloria wrote to me on 3/1/06 saying Cassanova was not given to her but rather, "I worked hard at raising the money from donations for a discounted price Baudy quoted me." She bought Cassanova at a time when Robert Baudy was under investigation by USDA for the death of a volunteer and his killing of a tiger. Just a few months after defending her purchase from Savage Kingdom, Robert Baudy's license was permanently revoked by USDA .
This is what she says on her web site about acquiring her white tiger : "Casanova was facing the possibility of not finding a home when the breeding center where he was born began the process of ceasing operations. After spending 3 whole days with him there, Gloria Johnson called all of the tiger lovers she knew while in Casanova's cage and raised enough money to take him home and give him as happy a life just like her cougars!"
In the photos below you can see the kind of education she does; walking a 6 month old tiger on a leash outside, on the school lawn and within a few inches of children, many of whom where confined to wheel chairs. USDA does not consider a leash a proper restraint for a big cat and Florida state law prohibits contact with a Class I cat. Der Spiegel reported that the cat weighed 100 lbs at the time. Anyone could have reached out and been bitten in the following scenes that occurred at the Gretchen Everhart School in Tallahassee, FL on Nov. 2, 2005. The bigger issue here however is the message being conveyed. Telling children that big cats make bad pets while walking them on leashes and bottle feeding them in front of everyone is not only a hypocritical message, but also does nothing to teach children about the true nature of these animals in the wild. No wonder so many people are mauled and killed each year when they see this sort of activity. More on the number of people mauled and killed here: http://www.bigcatrescue.org/big_cat_news.htm
Florida boasts the best laws in the nation regarding captive wildlife, but they can't be everywhere preventing this sort of activity and when they do discover it, there is little they are willing to do about it because there is no where for the animals to go and if they confiscate and kill it is political suicide.
Italicized words are not Gloria's.
The following are Gloria's own words about how she came to own these cats and what her attitudes are toward those who would stop the breeding, buying and selling of exotic cats.
From: GJPanthergirl@
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:05 PM
To: MakeADifference@BigCatRescue.org
Subject: Confusion and Frustration
Dear Carol,After I spent most of the afternoon thinking and writing to you, I turned on the TV just in time (by accident) to see "growing up tiger" about a sanctuary out west somewhere and it documented the 2 babies from birth to their first birthday. The husband/wife team just talked documentary style while the babies ran around the house or took bottles. The tears poured down my face as I remembered how many times that was me - I just can't seem to let go - right now if I were to be honest with you I would tell you that what would make me the happiest person would be to have some tiger babies toraise. Its the empty nest syndrome I guess. I literally feel it in my stomach and ache for a baby.
When the show was over I pulled out my own video of Sasha and Sergei, just one pair of the many tigers that have lived with me. It was an hour long and it upset me when it was supposed to bring happy memories. I miss them so much. Carol, I can't let go! I'm not Christian, although I am religious, and that bond that is formed when those little babies are in my arms, to me, is something god-given. It transcends all that is material in this world. Yes, it even transcends love between a man and woman. (Feeling that, that is why my man of 11 years broke up with me)
Okay, now I've purged a little and cried a little over my coffee, I feel a bit better. Thanks for listening, I know you understand. What really set me off this morning (I slept until 10:30!), was, after going out to say good morning to Sugar and Lakota as I always do even before dressing or making coffee, I then got the Sunday paper. I read about St. Francis Wildlife Refuge raising $28,000 at an event last night! It made me sick. In this town people just blindly give St. Francis support when all they know is that he (Jon) saves wounded wild animals (squirrels, skunks, raccoons, ducks, baby birds, turtles, etc., etc, but mostly birds). Last year when I desperately needed some money I worked for him (he's 10 minutes or less away). I was appalled!! Half the birds in outdoor "huts" (all dark, no sunlight) are completely rehabilitated, can fly perfectly and should have been released ages ago.
Inside the place is filthy, when I picked up an aquarium full of hatchlings to eye-dropper feed them, underneath were, I swear, hundreds of german cockroaches. They even crawled up my arms. Every cage and every pile of newspaper for lining the cages is swarming in roaches. When we washed the towels in hot water and bleach it didn't even kill them. They just jumped right out when you got the towels out for the dryer. He has domestic dogs and cats that belong with the Humane Society. I've been in the cages with the dogs, they're healthy, playful and friendly. He's always crying for money and giving fundraisers where he brings birds of prey and people just fork out the money. If they would just go and look they would probably file complaints.
I can't get any recognition for what I do . Yes, I admit this is partly jealousy, but its just not fair and there's not a thing I can do about it. If I came out, by name, with bad words about St. Francis all of Tallahassee would hate me. (Jon didn't even send me my last pay check after asking twice I gave up). This is a good example of the press screwing things up, they "slant" him to be a "savior." When I was just learning from Baudy and there were "glamorous photos" of a blonde with full grown tigers, they did an article on the Sunday front page and inside were about 8 full color large photos - this was nothing more than "Lobbyist falls for Big Cats." (the title proves it was for puresensationalism) I didn't have Cougar Ridge Center then, which hasa real purpose! Sure people tell me its wonderful what I'm doing, but can I get any press coverage now to start raising funds? Hell No!
GLORIA
2/28/06 Gloria emailed saying "You took a photo of me and "Nadia" in a lovely pose, and in big bold letters with an arrow, said NOTE TIGER CHAINED DOWN. You know that is a lie. That was simply her hook from her collar to her leash which was in my hand." Note: USDA's policy does not consider a leash to be a proper restraint.Pound for pound a tiger is 12 times stronger than a man. She went on to say, " It's time Carole, remove that crap, ALL OF IT ABOUT ME, or you will pay the consequences."
Where did all of those tigers she raised end up? The above was a letter she sent me just before she went out and got Casanova She said she had to sell her car because she can't make ends meet, but took in a cat that will cost her 8,000. a year to care for if she does it right. Where will these cats go when she can no longer care for them?
Poster Child for those who circumvent pet laws by getting a USDA license
The Christian Science Monitor
By Mark Clayton | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor August 31, 2006The grainy picture, taken at a private wild-animal park, shows a girl reaching out to pet, or grab, the tail of a full-grown leopard. How will the leopard react?
As the debate over private ownership of exotic pets intensifies in the US, attention is also beginning to fall on private wildlife exhibits that display "big cats" like lions, tigers, and leopards.TIGER HUG: Gloria Johnson with Casanova at her Havana, Fla., farm.
As states ban private custody of exotic pets, some owners seek USDA licenses.
PHIL COALE/AP/FILE
Licensed by the US government, these parks are required to put "significant barriers" between visitors and big cats. But there's enough gray area in the law so that some facilities permit close contact with the animals, including touching them - sometimes with tragic results.
In the year since 17-year-old Haley Hilderbrand was fatally mauled while posing for her senior photo with a leashed tiger at a Kansas wild-animal park, pressure has grown at federal and state levels to explicitly ban public contact with big cats at facilities that are licensed and regulated by the US Department of Agriculture (USDA).
In April, Kansas became the first state to ban direct contact between humans and potentially dangerous animals at wildlife exhibits. It also joined 21 states that prohibit private ownership of certain big cats.
Last month, Rep. Jim Ryun (R) of Kansas introduced legislation in Congress to beef up the Animal Welfare Act (AWA), which governs animal safety at USDA-regulated facilities. His bill would prohibit direct contact between big cats and the public and require the USDA to write public-safety regulations for exhibitor licensees.
Activists say AWA rules are too weak to ensure that the animals are securely kept and well maintained - or to protect humans from the animals on display. "We're not even that critical of the USDA because it doesn't really have the authority it needs to deal with the public-safety problem," says Greg Wetstone of International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW), a Yarmouth Port, Mass., animal rights group.
About 5,000 lions, tigers, and other big cats are kept by nearly 700 USDA big-cat licensees in the United States. Someone seeking a license to exhibit tigers is subject to requirements similar to those for someone seeking a goat license, IFAW reported last week, after a year-long investigation of such facilities.
As a result, in states where private ownership of exotic animals is banned, people can legally keep their animals by getting a USDA license as an exhibitor. In a rising number of cases, license applicants are mom-and-pop outfits building animal collections.
"These animals are dangerous, and it takes a lot to contain and feed them," says Mr. Wetstone of the IFAW, which included in its report the grainy photo of the girl touching the leopard. "So some folks decide to make a few bucks and escape state rules barring them as pets. They go get a USDA license."
The IFAW report - which looked at 42 wild-animal exhibits in 11 states, all USDA-licensed - cites these problems.
• Most of these big-cat facilities are "structurally unsound."
• Most allow public contact between people and big cats.
• "Vermin and grossly inadequate sewage disposal" are often evident. Meat fed to big cats is often rotten.
• Many facilities have no attendants at big-cat exhibits, and some "allowed children to work as attendants."
In the past decade, there have been 13 big-cat-related incidents in Florida, 12 in Texas, six in California, and five each in Illinois, Nevada, Minnesota, and Kansas. Since 1990, 13 people have died in these incidents, IFAW says.
A USDA spokesman says AWA regulations are adequate to keep the public safe and are zealously policed by its team of inspectors.
"There is no public-safety crisis," says Darby Holladay with USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service. "Whenever any incident occurs, the USDA animal-care program looks into it. If there's a possible violation of the Animal Welfare Act, enforcement action is taken."
The process can be slow. In the case of the park in Kansas where Hilderbrand was mauled, the USDA has yet to decide on whether to revoke the operator's big-cat license.
Critics of the IFAW report say it fails to deliver specific violations at specific facilities. "I don't think it's a well-informed report," says Marcus Cook, spokesman for the Feline Conservation Federation, which represents big-cat exhibitors. "If they know something, let's report it. If you've got a valid complaint, let's make it to the USDA. Don't just throw a bunch of numbers out there."
An IFAW member says the group has more than 2,000 photos documenting the violations cited in its report. "Our staff member was at [one] facility when a leopard bit the finger off an untrained worker," says Josephine Martell, a principal author of the report. "You can't just say, 'here's the tiger. Take care of him. I'm going to get some coffee.' But that's what's happening."
On Dec. 4, 2006 Der Spiegel used Gloria Johnson as an example of how Americans expose school children to deadly animals in the name of education. More Here
From her wish list on her web site as the thing she most wants:
Wish List as of 1/06:
- Our first goal is to get a new Florida Panther baby (cost $500-$1000) . This will also require funding for food, vitamins and medical care.
No reputable person would be breeding and selling baby Florida Panthers so to have what she wants she will have to support the pet trade.
Gloria was appointed to the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission's Captive Wild Animal Technical Assistance Group. Her quote from the first day of sessions sums up the attitude of the majority of the committee when she said in defense of creating regulations that would serve her and other exotic animal owners and violate the publics' safety, "We shouldn't have to cow-tow to the public."
From: GJPanthergirl@
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:12 PM
To: MakeADifference@
Subject: Re: FWC letter
BTW, all State Agencies promulate their own rules by Adivosry committee advice or testimony from the public. If there is a committee I will do everything to be on it. I think the makeup should be a majority of animal people. The general public knows squat about these important issues !
GLORIA JOHNSON
From: GJPanthergirl@
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:41 PM
To: MakeADifference@
Subject: Re: Baby lion
Carole, I don't see anything bad in this story. We all know that these cats are extremely fragile, more so than domestic cats and we all have lost one (or more) before despite our best efforts. I'm finding myself spending hours trying to "read between the lines" on what you want. True you did send me rules with supposed Big Cat Rescue suggestions. But those suggestions were already law. After I saw a few like that I didn't finish reading because it was too confusing. I'm having to guess where you want to go and that is a waste of time.What if we don't agree at all? Do you still want to sit down with me? I believe in compromise and get the impression that you are a caring individual capable of it. But also, I know many "animal rights activists" who you can talk to until you're blue in the face and it is a total waste of time. Please don't take offense, try to put yourself in my shoes. I just need concrete statements of what you want todo/change. Could you just send me a simple list. Forget about Rule or Statute numbers just tell me simply: I want: - this - this and - this. And then we will really know if we are on the same page.
I'm starting to have some concerns. I definitely will not condone anything that is a "ban". Also, you will feel much better if you stop focusing on the sensationalism of news articles. Get out and find all the many, many people like me who love and enrich their animals lives.
These animals have wild instincts but they are not wild animals. There is an important distinction here.
p.s. I don't know Marcus Cook, but I do know that all little babies rub their noses against the walls and look "beat up". This happens even when their in their home cat-a-tats. Its a baby thing and they obviously don't hurt themselves because they do it again. FCF does many wonderful things to help teach and actually work in native lands to preserve endangered species.
GLORIA
She was referring to this photo that she defended.
Lakota's Courage
by Gloria Johnson
My 4 year old female cougar, Ashukalee (Sugar) was very sick as a baby and was never socialized (by my choice) to do public appearances away from home. Therefore to do the educational programs I so wanted I needed a baby. This is why I came to own Lakota. He came from C.W. Wathen's Chestatee Wildlife Preserve in Georgia .
When I first saw him, he seemed so fragile I was almost afraid to pick him up. It was as if I'd never done this before. Lakota was only 4 weeks old - so young! This was my baby and I would not be giving him back as I do the tigers I work with for Robert Baudy. I had also never had a single baby. With no sibling, he looked to me for everything. And I fell into a paranoid "new mom" syndrome that had me stressed at every hiccup. Fortunately I had friends from the FCF, like Bobbie and Jessica Bean, Mindy Stinner, Lynn Culver and Tracy Wilson, who were always there to take my calls and reassure me.
He was a happy baby, playful and energetic and very affectionate and as the weeks passed, I saw him change quickly. He came home with little nubby ears, like a teddy bear. Soon afterwards his ears were bigger than him! At 7 lbs. he ruled the roost. Since he had proved he knew how to use the litter box, I let him roam the house. He loved my house cats and he loved to sleep with me.
Lakota was very smart. His bottles were heated in the microwave and any time he heard it beep he would come running in anticipation of food. He took to the harness and leash very easily and fell in love with Sugar when he met her.
Our first visit to a school was to a private school for gifted children - the brightest of the bright. I was as very nervous but they were warm, polite and helpful and he was very well behaved and sweet. He got in my lap and hung his little paws over my knee and watched them all very fascinated. I left so fulfilled! They made me feel so appreciated and they understood the message I was trying to share with them. I received the most beautiful thank you letters too.
Our next class visit would require a three hour drive and an overnight stay. My mother went with us to help drive. The previous April I had been diagnosed with a broken L5 vertebrae and was healing from a bone graft and I still was having severe and constant pain. This appearance would involve about 5 times as many students as our first time but also went very well.
After my surgery in April, it had been Sugar who inspired me to get out of bed. Pain was relentless. It was worse than before the surgery. The only thing that gave me any solace was to lie with her. To be close to her, to feel her warmth and hear her purr, as if she knew I was in pain and not feel I was a burden to her as I felt I was to all of the people in my life. But try as I might I felt myself slipping quickly into the deep depression that comes from chronic pain. I was definitely at the end of my rope. Yet I kept trying to keep up with my school programs, training of Lakota and writing my book which has been purchased by Lyons Press. I had responsibilities that must be met for my life to be complete. But truthfully, I didn't know if I could. Even in the best of times pain was stealing all of my joy.
In November the annual Thomasville Plantation Wildlife Arts Show was coming to Georgia . Mark Kelso, one of my favorite painters, would stay with me so he could photograph and sketch Sugar and Lakota. C.W. would also stay with me because he was providing all the animals for Jim Fowler and I would help C.W. take care of and show the animals. I would once again be reunited with my favorite white tiger who used to sleep in my bed, but was now 350 lbs. I should have been thrilled, but wrenching pain just the week before had me on the floor in tears wondering how I would ever manage to perform all the duties of hostess, animal keeper, trainer, exhibitor and teacher. I prayed this weakness would pass and I would find the old me again. All of my guests arrived as planned and the first day showing the animals with Jim Fowler was a huge success. As Jim spoke C.W. and I arose out of the ground on a rising stage behind him in with surprise animals. The white tiger, of course, was the exciting finale!
According to an email that Linda Hunnicutt sent out by accident to the entire Yahoo list (when she thought she was only sending it to a friend of hers named Karen) Gloria Johnson is the person responsible for funding a web site that is devoted entirely to disseminating false and misleading information about Big Cat Rescue. The following is the entirety of that email: end #mainContent
----- Original Message -----
From: lndmonk@aol.com
To: monkeyyardsale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [monkeyyardsale] Caorle Baskins.
In a message dated 3/10/06 3:06:36 PM Central Standard Time, lndmonk@aol.com writes:
No Vernon didn't I did... with Vernons information..lol.... and with all the messages we have sent out, (you and me) she is being removed from the commission board and they will be doing a TV expose' on her next week.. the tv crew is out at Vernons now.. he keeps calling me and having me speak to the reporter on behalf of simply simian... so we are in the forefront anyway.... Gloria is the one that wanted the website.. she is our ace in the hole, a professional lobbyist.. doing a crack up job at it too.. and she is thinking we are angels as we put that site up for her.. she was supposed to send you a check for the cost a few days ago.. so when you get it that is what it is for... not a membership... from Gloria Johnson...
I thought this was going to Karen please you guys keep this quiet...
Monkey Transport Fund ( March 2006)
SIMPLY SIMIAN INC.
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Grannys against Peta
Warrior Grannys strike against Peta.Check for yourself to see if Gloria Johnson meets the sanctuary standards for an accredited animal refuge.
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CPDAliases associated with Linda Hunnicutt:
We have listed information on those who seek to discredit us for two reasons:
1. So that you can make your own determination as to their credibility and sincerity.
2. In the hopes that you will say a silent prayer for them asking that they find peace and discover their inner beauty that will cause them to want to spread good will rather than gossip.
It has been reported to us that Linda Hunnicutt claims and has claimed to have 501(c)3 nonprofit status in numerous places on the internet, including using organization names:
Monkeys in the Mountains; National Primate Association and North Carolina Survivors.Another of her online petitions was at http://www.thepetitionsite.com and described as "To fight Terrorism at home and to raise funds for this prototype program The National Primate Association Inc. a 501-C-3 Non-Profit association is offering two opportunities to win with your donation dollars."
If you go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/APES/ and search for "Hunnicutt" in the archives you can read about a few of the situations in which this person was said to have ripped off people who bought monkeys from her including Betty Cahill. [note: Linda Hunnicutt has no USDA license to be dealing in wild animals]
Hunnicutt was reported to be the owner of a YahooGroups list called Caucasian Caucus which was a white supremacist forum.
She is also said to have had a so-called animal rights site at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/9569/inde x.html
A few names she is alleged to use:
Linda Lamm
Lynn Lamm
Linda French
Linda Hunnicutt
Lynn Hunnicutt
Mrs. Tim Hunnicutt
Lynda Schubkegel
Linda Schubkegel
IrvShe is reported to be active on lists under many addresses, a few of which are:
hgh4all@aol.com
jmarconsulting@yahoo.com
Lindahun@aol.com
lindahun@petlover.com
lindahunnicutt@aol.com
lindahunnicutt1@netzero.net
lndmonk@aol.com
Lschubkegel@aol.com
lynnhunnicutt@yahoo.com
lynnlamm@yahoo.com
monkeysinthemts@aol.com
mountainladydiamond@yahoo.com
nationalprimates@yahoo.com
natprimate@aol.com
ncsurvivors@aol.com
repopac@aol.com
rlamm@boxfrog.com
roflmao101@yahoo.com
shirley250@aol.com
Simplysimianinc@aol.com
timhun@aol.com
timhun@aol.com
z6e6v8nb@aol.com
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[mailto:Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Nevin #bios
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:04 AM
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carol Baskin: Video of ShereKhan freeThis leads me to believe that Carol is mis informing the public so that she can set the rules of owning exotics on her terms as other groups like PETA and HSUS are doing.
THEREFORE we must resolve an action that we as a group must stand up together to
fight off these vicious lies and mis information and to band together to help
those folks (NOT FIGHT AGAINST) who are at risk for having their animals taken
away and fight against laws banning or highly restricting exotic animals.Why in the world are we not suing PETA and Carol for making up lies? funny but I
feel like we are getting walked over and stomped on. Are there any Legal Eagles
out there that can come up with some way to shut these organizations down?
From: "Z" < tigers9@...
Date: Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:56 pm
Subject: RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carol Baskin: Video of ShereKhan free zbrubruffJust not to create confusion, the tape was made at Carol's place,Wildliofe
on easy Street,NOT Dennis place one week after Carol got ShereKhan from
Dennis. SK is obviously normally behaved healthy tiger cub.
Z
From: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Nevin
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:04 AM
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carol Baskin: Video of ShereKhan freeI got the video from Z and I thank you. I see someone who is playing with SK
(for short) as a cub in a small water tub. Cubs are different from adults duh but in my humble opinion this animal not a candidate for removal from the property unless the rescuers and prove without a reasonable doubt (my grandfather was a municipal judge) that the cats where mistreated in any way
shape or form and given adequate care and security. From what I saw in this tape I saw a person playing with a cub more gently and caring than an adult mother tiger would. This leads me to believe that Carol is mis informing the public so that she can set the rules of owning exotics on her terms as other groups like PETA and HSUS are doing.
THEREFORE we must resolve an action that we as a group must stand up together to fight off these vicious lies and mis information and to band together to help those folks (NOT FIGHT AGAINST) who are at risk for having their animals taken away and fight against laws banning or highly restricting exotic animals.
Why in the world are we not suing PETA and Carol for making up lies? Funny but I feel like we are getting walked over and stomped on. Are there any Legal Eagles out there that can come up with some way to shut these organizations down?
From: "Z" < tigers9@...
To: <Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:04 PM
Subject: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carol Baskin: Video of ShereKhan freeI just made 2MB mpeg video of ShereKhan from Carol's tape Big Cat
Companions, and who ever wants to see it email me privately and I will
send it to u so u can see how she is lying on her website. I don't know Dennis
Hill, but this is disseminating lies against him (in my humble opionion)what
she is saying on her website .
All I am interested is the truth, and all u breeders/dealers on this list,
see this story and be careful who u sell to, money is not everything, u need
to fight these lies some scamstuaries tell about their animals and how they
got them.U guys have USDA transfer papers, PROVE it how some sanctuaries
are buying pets not rescuing, u have the official proof.
Z
Tigers9@.. .
Read and compare with videohttp://www.bigcatrescue.org/big_cat_ news_files/2005/sherekhanownershutdn.htm
From: "Z" < tigers9@...
Date: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:18 am
Subject: RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] What's the rest of the story? zbrubruff
I just read what she had to say about Shere Khan on her website, this is the tiger featured in the video I have, Big Cat Companions that Carol and Don used to sell back then.
They show tiger on the tape, tiger looks great, they say they just got him a week prior making this tape from loving a home and that his 'only' problem was he was biting.Then they admit this is their first tiger.Carol and Don obviously had no idea how to train a tiger , it is normal for young animals like this to be biting, but judging/looking at the tape Shere Khan was NOT bad at all. Dennis Hill needs to fight this accusations, using this tape would be a good start,the tape shows that 1 week after arriving to Carol his conditions was great, if he was as sick as carol claims on her website, he codln't look so
good on the tape, especially since she herself narrates it how loving tiger's previous home was,. Can u please fwd this email to Dennis? If Dennis is bad, carol needs real facts not lies to shut him down
Zuzana From: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:36 AM
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Phoenix_Exotics] What's the rest of the story?Carole (Lewis) Baskin of Big Cat Rescue has recently sent out an appeal to shut down Shere Khan's breeder, Dennis Hill of Indiana. Shere Khan arrived at Wildlife on Easy Street as a cub in 1995. He is the star attraction at BCR. I hand fed him a couple of chicken legs back before they started using tongs. WHY the sudden campaign more
than 10 years later? What's the rest of the story???http://www.bigcatrescue.org/big_cat_news_files/2005/sherekhanownershutdn.htm
From: "Gini" < ginival@...
Date: Sun Jan 8, 2006 6:29 pm
Subject: Tigers9...Carole Lewis Baskin tape ginigoneape
Could you please copy the tape you speak of and mail it to me? I will be happy to pay you to do this. Carole is here in my area and her 'missing' ex was a friend. I have a file on her and we have been looking for a copy of this tape that she sold along with her book about keeping exotic cats as pets. She is buttering up all the local county commissioners and speaking out against us and we want to be able to show them her true character. Yes, of course people can 'change' but she has so much in her past that accumulatively you have to at least wonder about her credibility and character. Contact me at home please.
Gini From: lndmonk@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Jan 6, 2006 11:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Dear Carol of former Wildlife on Easy street lndmonkIn a message dated 1/6/06 9:22:53 PM Central Standard Time, otaije@...
writes:http://capwiz.com/bigcatrescue/iss ues/alert/?alertid=8349821&queueid=[capwiz:
queue_id_I did just taht and wrote a letter: copy below:
Thank you for using Big Cat Rescue Mail System
Message sent to the following recipients:
Carole Baskin
Message text follows:Linda Hunnicutt
secretary
Simply simian inc
po box 671
winnie, TX 77665-0671January 6, 2006
[recipient address was inserted here]
Dear [recipient name was inserted here],
Mr. Ken Hagan
County Commissioner - District 2
County Center, 2nd Floor
Tampa, FL 33602Dear Commissioner Hagan,
Please support the proposed rezoning application RZ 06-0115 for Big Cat
Rescue.Carole baskins has used her cats for her own profit for years, she
threatened to kill her husband who was a millionaire and when he had
restraining orders put on her he dissappeared? Never to be found yet she
acquired his estate thoruhg what has been reported as a fake will. she
has been written up by the USDA for abuse of animals in her care and now
wants the public support? My God what a lot of nerve..Why has her husbands dissappearance never been fully investigated?
Did the cats eat well in 1997:?
Thank you for considering my request that support Big Cat Rescue in their
rezoning application RZ 06-0115.Sincerely,
Linda Hunnicutt
409 6734891
secretary
Simply simian inc_Simply~Simian Inc._ ( http://www.simply-simian.com/index.html )
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Z and others re: Carole Lewis Baskins leiloublue
In a message dated 1/6/2006 2:36:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ginival@... writes:Let's not forget that this self-righteous woman who speaks of ethics and morals is still the main suspect in the 1997 disappearence of her millionnaire husband, Don Lewis who has been declared dead, although his body has never been found. He filed for a restraining order (which was denied) after she threatened to kill him just weeks before he
disappeared!She will blame all her previous breeding and selling for pets on Don, who conveniently isn't here to defend himself, but It was Carole who dealt directly with a local pet shop on buying baby bobs and servals.
Her website is full of lies about the origin and treatment of her cats as well as her rantings about other private owners, as many of her former volunteers can attest to. If anyone wants to read more on this hypocrite contact me privately.
From: BOB PITT < azooforu@...
Date: Fri Jan 6, 2006 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Dear Carol of former Wildlife on Easy street azooforuHell no her ground ain't strong !!! Her whole place is on a former land fill. material still pushes up thru the ground. Call her what she is a slum lord and animal WHORE !!!
--- SOUTHZOO@... wrote:
I'd say that this "East Coast Tippi" type is quite aware that her transparency would be seen by our group. To take such high moral ground, one would think she'd be first in line to explain to us how wrong we are. Maybe her ground isn't so strong. What
is it? The truth shall set you free?Rhonda
From: Z < tigers9@...
To: MakeADifference@...;
info@...
Cc: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:58:03 -0800
Subject: [Phoenix_Exotics] Dear Carol of former
Wildlife on Easy streetDear Carol, since (in my humble opinion) you happen to be one of the most
hypocritical&controversial person in exotic animal world, I have been watching you for a while, I remember your "guests sleeping with the big cats for lots of $$$ in your cottages " business venture to your selling horrible quality video tapes on how to breed and raise exotic cats pets ( YES, I own your tape) .You bought and bred many exotic cats, you had a volunteer badly injured by leopard in 1998, so I don't understand what made you one day to turn around and become a god and 'non profit rescue' and criticize the rest of us ethical exotic owners. Remember the saying: people who throw rocks shouldn't live in glass houses? You have a very colorful past, not a very good resume for a wannabe preacher.
And while you criticize others, you have $50 dollars a head feed the tiger business venture http://www.bigcatrescue.org/feeding_tours.htm
with welded fence (4x4 inch?) where visitors can easily put there hand
inside the tiger cage during their feeding ? See the video:http://www.tampabays10.com/aroundth ebay/aroundthebay_article.aspx?storyid=23
278You criticize Phoenix members, while you yourself keep the animals in cages and engage in activities that can be dangerous and you do it for the entertainment/amusement of people who pay you.
When we invited you to speak at our Phoenix Exotics Las Vegas meeting this year, this was your reply (posted on our website with your permission):
http://www.phoenixexotics.org/p2006meeting.html
CEO of Big Cat Rescue an Educational Sanctuary Home ,Carole Baskin was also invited to be a Guest Speaker for the upcoming 2006 Phoenix exotics Annual Meeting. "Phoenix Exotics has long stood for everything that I oppose when it comes to ethics. I cannot imagine your group would invite me there for anything but a stoning. I speak for the
animals, not for the selfish people who would breed them for life in cages for their own
amusement, regardless of their lame justifications for it. "Sincerely
Zuzana Kukol, VP
www.phoenixexotics.org
http://www.phoenixexotics.org/ From: lndmonk@aol.com
To: monkeyyardsale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [monkeyyardsale] Caorle Baskins.In a message dated 3/10/06 3:06:36 PM Central Standard Time, lndmonk@aol.com writes:
No Vernon didn't I did... with Vernons information..lol.... and with all the messages we have sent out, (you and me) she is being removed from the commission board and they will be doing a TV expose' on her next week.. the tv crew is out at Vernons now.. he keeps calling me and having me speak to the reporter on behalf of simply simian... so we are in the forefront anyway.... Gloria is the one that wanted the website.. she is our ace in the hole, a professional lobbyist.. doing a crack up job at it too.. and she is thinking we are angels as we put that site up for her.. she was supposed to send you a check for the cost a few days ago.. so when you get it that is what it is for... not a membership... from Gloria Johnson...
I thought this was going to Karen please you guys keep this quiet...Monkey Transport Fund ( March 2006)
SIMPLY SIMIAN INC.
Repo-Pac
Grannys against Peta
Warrior Grannys strike against Peta. From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ...
Date: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:26 pm
Subject: Carole Baskin Slams Lion Movie runeraionEven South Africa isn't safe from her...
Inbred Lions Shouldn't Be Glamorized
I am appalled at the ignorance behind the creation of such a film and those who would support it about how the white lions are produced. If the average person is equally uninformed then this sort of propaganda will surely lead to more suffering as all of the back yard breeders start trying to fill the new need for white lions by inbreeding their cats to the point of deformity and death. To learn more about how the white coats are created in lions and tigers read more at: http://www.bigcatrescue.org/white_tigers.htm
Carole Baskin, MakeADifference@... [13 Mar 2006 15:26]
http://www.bizcommunity.com/Content/Comment.aspx?l=196&c=11&cci=22879
From: Bigcats10@aol.com
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:35 pm
Subject: RE; Expose on BCR bigcats10Hi Folks,
An expose on BCR should air tonight at 5pm EST on Baynews9. It could change,
but as of right now this is the schedule.Vicki
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From: BOB PITT < azooforu@...
Date: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:30 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] PETA release, circus elephants azooforu
I say screw it !! I'm going after Lisa Wathan
tomarrow. We'll see what she knows and from where she learned it... PETA is no biggy here, my lane is ½ mile back in the woods and the cats could always use some extra vitamin K in their diet. --- Ray < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ... wrote:
None of these people had any real experience when they started. Tippi, Asvestas, Baskin, Quist, the AR people, etc.
It doesn't take any knowledge or talent to cage up an animal and throw food
at it and never do anything else with it. Or to issue press releases and say
how cruel captivity is.What's galling is seeing them treated like the ultimate fount of knowledge
and hearing them damn every other person who has these animals, some of whom
know a hundred times more.Their fallback position is always that the rest are sinners and immoral and
shouldn't be exploiting and having these animals anyway.But nobody in the old media examines _their_ credentials. They take their
claims as truth and other AR people vouch for them.But anyone who opposes them has to prove who they are, get belittled, brushed off, etc.
Aren't double standards great?
Ray
From: < tigers9@...
To: <Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] PETA release,
circus elephantsWell, when u think aboit it what EXPERT credentials do peopel like Baskin
or Quist have, Quist wnats to enlarge her place and get tigers, but what
does she REALLY know abouthandlign tigers? Just because she has one old
tiger, played with few cubs and witnessed few tiger transports???
These peopel look down onus but we pet owners or trainers withhands one
with big cats have more experience then peope like Quist.
Z
From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ...
Date: 2006/02/19 Sun PM 09:09:42 PST
To: <Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] PETA release,
circus elephants
I seem to recall looking into her last year and only finding her being an
expert desk jockey. No actual animal experience and no credentials. Maybe
well-read, maybe not. Just a long history with every AR group. They seem
to share her or something.
Like some celebrities who are famous for being famous (Paris Hilton) these
experts are "experts" because they say they are and others say they are.
Ray From: "chimps" < chimps@...
Date: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] FL: Carole's take on Saturday luvgr8apes
Too funny, Linda! <big grin ;)I was set up by several of the protesters.. One a blonde which I will not mention her name faked herself off to me as Carole Baskins asking me what I had in my car and did I have a monkey in there.. I caught myself and just uttered a couple of profane words and walked away.. lol.... Then of course Vernon just had to try to make me use the more gutter lingo which I happen to know quite well on occasion by telling me that we had a little problem, my monkey which was in his wifes care had opened the cage and was up in a tree.
From: Linda Hunnicutt
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] FL: Carole's take on SaturdayI was there and only saw about 3 cars go into the Cat Rescue. I did see the
fake Bill Clinton emerge and he did look like the real thing, only thing was
missing was his girlfriends dress did not have the stains on it.....! And he
was not smoking a cigar. Now as far as us doing her a favor? Don' t think so.
Even one of the candidates for office read our literature and grabbed a sign
with us. Yep that is true. have photos to prove it. I have never seen such a
populated area to have a Big Cat rescue located in. It amazed me to think of
her telling legislators how dangerous a cat in the back yard is and how it could
hurt the public yet she is right there in the middle of restaurants and malls
and she has had an escape.. And she had no news coverage either.. Except for the
TampaTribune was called about the fire truck and Ambulance that drove in there
with lights flashing and sirens going? Never did find out about that either?&nb
from harrassing her took the flyers and eased up on us after getting a glance at
that information.All in all it was a good demonstration other than the fact my temper was
already known and I was set up by several of the protesters.. One a blonde which
I will not mention her name faked herself off to me as Carole Baskins asking me
what I had in my car and did I have a monkey in there.. I caught myself and just
uttered a couple of profane words and walked away.. lol.... Then of course
Vernon just had to try to make me use the more gutter lingo which I happen to
know quite well on occasion by telling me that we had a little problem, my
monkey which was in his wifes care had opened the cage and was up in a tree. Of
course that didn't phase me a bit.. Yeah right. Well they got me pretty good and
learned a few new words I suspect..lol.It was a fabulous occasion as far as I was concerned, I got to put faces
with names and learned there are a lot of very dedicated people working to
prevent our losing our animals and made me even more determined to do the most
that is possible with what we have to work with. There will be a next time
with more time to prepare and we will expose her to the people who seem to be
blind to her shortcommings.Keep tuned in folks it ain't over till the fat lady sings and I haven't even
taken the first voice lesson yet....Linda From: Tim Stoffel < tim@...
Date: Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:07 am
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: Carole Baskin/Lewis ?from year 2000 timbalionguyOn Sat, 2006-02-18 at 18:27 -0500, Ray wrote:
The game is played this way: demonize your opponents to keep people from supporting them. Teach them that they are nuts, sickos, etc. That keeps people from coming together to fight you.
It's worked for thousands of years.
And this is about the only sure-fire thing that will work against AR.
For the lions,
Tim Stoffel From: Tim Stoffel < tim@...
Date: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:57 am
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carole- BCR comments back at us in Business week timbalionguy
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 23:56 -0500, SOUTHZOO@... wrote:
_http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/get_revi ews?productId=3163_
(http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/get_revi ews?productId=3163)Nickname: Carole Baskin CEO Big Cat Rescue
Review: While those who own exotic animals often claim to love them as they would their own children, I don't think they would agree that children should be bred for the amusement of others, kept in cages and then auctioned off to the highest bidder or abandoned when the family's situation changes.I wonder if Carole loves any of her animals? If someone walked in there and killed half of her cats, I bet her response wouldn't be 'good riddance'!
What these people love is the attention that their pets solicit for them. The question is not: Can some people provide a proper home? but is: Should countless animals have to suffer so that the very few can have them as pets?
She's probably one of those that believe that 90 percent of exotic animals die in the first two years.
For the lions,
Tim Stoffel From: Tim Stoffel < tim@...
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:38 am
Subject: RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] CWPA Deadline is March 2 timbalionguy
HOW DO WE GET THIS CAT-MURDERER TO SHUT UP? She sounds just like someone else we know.BTW, how did the protest go outside her place a couple days back?
For the lions (who I hope aren't found in her place),
Tim Stoffel From: "Z" < tigers9@...
Date: Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:39 pm
Subject: RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] CWPA Deadline is March 2 zbrubruffCarol Baskin is urging people to remove USDA exemptions.
Z
http://capwiz.com/bigcatrescue/issues/alert/?alert id=8445421
<http://capwiz.com/bigcatrescue/issues/alert/?a lertid=8445421&type=ML
&type=MLStop Interstate Sale of Big Cats as Pets
After his pet tiger escaped and was shot Tarzan was able to get a 40.00 USDA
permit to buy more baby tigers. Please help us stop this sort of insanity.In 2003 a law was passed that made it illegal to sell big cats across state
lines as pets but the law lacked the technical teeth to be enforced. The
Senate unanimously passed S.1415 to correct that flaw last year but the
House hasn't adopted the language yet and time is running out. Despite the
House not doing their part to end this dangerous activity, the US Fish and
Wildlife Service has proposed rules that would help end the trade in big
cats, and they are considering input until March 2, 2006. Their proposal has
some flaws that you can help us fix. One flaw is that anyone with a 40.00
permit from USDA is exempt. Please Take Action by and let your government
know this is important to you.
To read the entire proposed Rule go here:
http://www.bigcatrescue.org/laws/2006FederalRegist er.htm but be sure to
come back here to help us with your brief letter.
http://capwiz.com/bigcatrescue/issues/alert/?alert id=8445421
<http://capwiz.com/bigcatrescue/issues/alert/?a lertid=8445421&type=ML
&type=ML From: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:46 AM
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Phoenix_Exotics] CWPA Deadline is March 2From Captain West:
All,
I have attached a Federal Register notice regarding the federal Captive Wildlife Safety Act and the US Fish and Wildlife Service's interpretation of its content. We will not meet as a group before the closing date for comments which is on March 2nd, 2006 so please accept this as an FYI and comment personally to the USFWS if you desire.
See you at the next meeting.
John
Captain John D. West
Division of Law Enforcement
Investigations Section
"Patrol, Protect, Preserve"
(850) 488-6253
E-mail: John.West@...
Website: www.MyFWC.Com From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ...
Date: Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carol Baskin runeraion
Y'know, I was so busy yesterday I forgot about the protest.There isn't a word about it in the media.
From: "Heather M" < grizzly_bear_mom@...
To: <phoenix_exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:55 AM
Subject: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carol BaskinWhat ever happened at the protest yesterday? Also, I toured her facility
a few weeks ago what a wreck, I cant believe the State of Florida and the
USDA allows her caging.
Hog rings!! I wouldn't house large hook bills in caging secured with hog
rings. There is no way these cages meet the structural sound criteria of
the state of Florida. .
Who is she to criticize anyone? Heather From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ...
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2006 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: [Phoenix_Exotics] I need something cleared up Regarding our posts runeraionBut the state could pass some laws covering sales to the public so this
bears watching.And fighting.
Unconstitutional laws get passed all the time. They get enforced until
someone stands up and makes an example of themselves in court.Never say never.
Ray
From: < Bigcats10@aol.com
To: <Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Phoenix_Exotics] I need something cleared up Regarding our
postsIn a message dated 2/9/2006 2:52:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ARIGERMAN@... writes:as for possible new law, i have already lobbied the group that counts FWC
uit does not wanr it and it will work through legislative peopleExactly, and FWC has full authority to regulate exotic wildlife.
The proposed action is listed on Ms. Baskin's website which was initiated
by her.
_http://www.bigcatrescue.org/blog.htm_
(http://www.bigcatrescue.org/blog.htm) From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2006 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Florida iluvclydesda...
What's the deal with these people?!We had a 10' boa constrictor or python for a 6th grade classroom pet in
Elementary school and no one blinked an eye. Now if your neighbor has one
people freak!! More small pets get squashed by cars than get swallowed by a
pet snake. Give me a break. Oh now I see they want to lump in other exotics
in as well.This society has gotten so into safety and sterilization, its driving me
nuts! Here is the latest safety craze at my supermarket, seat belts for the
shopping carts - required!!! ughOne thing I need to stress regarding this bill is the breeding situation.
Banning breeding will highly limit the amount of genetic diversity in an
animal population. Though controls can be made so that the animal breed
doesn't overpopulate, banning breeding outright will not fix the problem.
Banning the sale of such animals will also not solve the problem and
actually make it more difficult to for state animal control officers to
enforce. All this would just go underground and there will be a huge lack of
control on the breeding because it will go undocumented just as there is in
drug trafficking.I know I'm preaching to the choir but want to give my thanks to lndmonk for
bringing this to our attention.I will send my 2 cents to the Governor and state congress people ASAP even
though I'm not from Florida.-Bob
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Subject: PE members are threatening you?
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
From: SOUTHZOO@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:38:50 EST
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carole- BCR comments- My responseIn a message dated 2/17/2006 12:37:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tigers9@cox.net writes:U mean kind of like a bullet?...;-) it depends if u r on the receiving end
or not.;-)ROFL! Yup, fully loaded!
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Phoenix_Exotics/ Subject: Comment from GreenPeople directory
Hello,
We received the following comment from tigers9@cox.net regarding your listing at:
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
The comment is:Wasn't Carole Baskin/Lewis formerly called Widlife on Easy Streeta breeder, and most of her animals she bought/bred herself,or got retired tigers from Ringling,who pay for their upkeep?See link to her book where she admits it: http://www.species.net/Carnivora/General/Easy/Easy indx.html I also own her video,BIG CAT COMPANIONS on breeding exotic cats.
Subject: Comment from GreenPeople directory
Hello,
We received the following comment from azooforu@yahoo.com regarding your listing at:
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
The comment is:
Wildlife on Easy Street is nothing more then a place a greedy woman keeps HER RETIRED BREEDERS at, and some Ringling Circus tigers who are paid for (OVERCHARGED) by the compnay. She higly inflates the cost for enclosures that are secured by hog rings. The land their enclosures are built on was formerly a dump, and junk still pushes it's way to the top
of the animals' enclosures. They have been under investigation for numerous violations to the ANIMAL WELFARE ACT by the USDA. This isn't paradise, it's BUSINESS.Subject: GreenPeople listing: Big Cats and Private Owners
Bob Nevin ( Bob@chnevin.com ) Robert W. Nevin, VP, Recruiting10223 Sablewood Dr. Aurora, Ohio 44202 (Tel) 800-388-7986 (Fax)330-995-3592
has visited your GreenPeople listing:
Big Cat Rescue
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
and is emailing you the following:
Its my right to responibly own a lion. If you don't like that then clam up. I feel real bad that you can not educate people on how to work and care for big cats short of saying you can't have them. If owning big cats are banned, then you will see an even greater problem with enforcement because all the cats will be sold on the black market without any papers or breeding certificates. Also a lot more accidents and inexperienced people working with them will get hurt or even worse.
Its very important that you educate people how to work and train the big cats. Also, its very important that we save the species and private owners are doing a good job. I think that you should start realizing and welcoming that fact instead of trying to make a mockery of it.Carole’s Note: GreenPeople decided that the opinions were without merit and did not post these libelous comments. The book link is maintained by one of our opponents who hides behind a bulk registrar and the text is not endorsed by Carole Baskin or Big Cat Rescue.
Linda Hunnicutt lndmonk@yahoo.com Brought pet monkey from NC into FL and said she left it in her car at Vernon Yates while she protested our Kids, Cats & Candidates day. She had led the group from Phoenix Exotics in coming here from out of state. Linda Hunnicutt of Simply Simian Address: 27 Beaton Path, LeicesterCity, State Zipcode: Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 Her criminal convictions that include bank fraud and charity fraud are HERE .
Email: lndmonk@aol.com
From: lndmonk
To: monkeyyardsale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: [monkeyyardsale] Home againI just got in this afternoon and found 1300 messages none of which I could get too. This computer has gone AWOL. I have had to go to yahoo then back to aol to read the newest ones? what a mess.
Anyway needless to say I deleted the most of them..
I got to Fl on Friday night, really Late, Had a flat on the I 10 INTERSTATE and had to get the Road Rangers out there to help change it and found they couldn't doit either as it has locking nuts on the wheels to keep people from steeling them.. My Son finally told me to tell them to knock off the stud that had the lock on it. which was the solution..
Then had to drive very slowly for the next hundred forty miles which was worse than waiting for the Rangers..lol.. Anyway after staying lost on the interstate interchanges for about an hour I just called and told my son to come get me which he did and found I was only about 10 minutes from his house.lol... I did get there though which is what counts. The demonstration was a good one, have the photos etc and will get them up on the website and in the newsletter comming out in a few days.I did get a lot of aggravation there, those people are really mean. One blonde which I will not mention her name, was put up to pulling my strings, she had the nerve to come up and start asking me questions about what I had in my car, if I had a monkey in there? when I asked her who the hell she was she said Carole Basking, now I think you all know I have a mouth, but I only uttered a few profane words to her and told her to get the FFFFFFF away from me.. I never raised my hand but my Grandaughter was standing there with huge eyes just waiting for the blows to start flying..lol... Of course everyne thought that was really funny.... then Vernon who I entrusted with Buddy during the demonstration came by and put his arm around me and told me we had a little problem... Buddy had opened his cage and was up in a tree? He also learned a few new words ...lol...
It was a wonderful experience, those people are dedicated, serious and working for us all. I got to put faces with names and loved meeting all of them.
We did our job. Only abut 3 cars went into the place while we were there , and one of the candidates read our material and switched sides, grabbed a sign and was standing with us on the street. The cops she had called to keep us from harrassing her guests ( she had very very few of them to harrass) took our flyers thanks to someone who told them their husband was a cop also and eased up on us.
People in that town got the message, the traffic was heavy, and everyone slowed down to see the signs.. They were read. Lots of people would give us the thumb up sign so they must have nad some previous knowledge of BAskins.
The most excitement was when the fire engine flew in with sirens and lights flashing followed by a ambulance.. I actualy was hoping maybe Carol had met with a horrid accident? but we never did find out what the problem was.
I am really dissapointed that Geraldo didn't show up to see the real truth and went ahead and aired the show but from what I heard from someone? it was not a good one and didn't show much of her place at all so he evidently edited it quite a bit. That is a positive thing. Our messages did get through.
That is not the end of it, there will be bigger and better demonstrations and like I said on another list. It aint over till the fat lady sings and I haven't had any voice lessons yet. so we will keep on till we get it right.. After all we are new at this stuff but are learning real quick.
It is good to be home and get some real sleep in my own bed but Karen better get my bed at her house ready cause I am heading out of here next week for Texas... Yeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
It is snowing still here, the ground is frozen and I am movin on south... Buddy told his father tonight he was a southern monkey.. didn't like this hillbilly place.. LOL.....
Linda
Carole&rsq uo;s Note: Name: Linda Hunnicutt of Simply Simian Address: 27 Beaton Path, Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 Email: lndmonk@aol.com She is said to use a number of other names and aliases as well to make it look like several people are responding on an issue, rather than her, or just her.
I did not go up to the group of protestors but did have them filmed to find out who was there. They claim to have had a candidate join them, but all of the candidates who were scheduled to come, did come, with the exception of one woman and I do not know who the man in the photo they are promoting as a candidate was. While she claims only three cars came, we had 178 guests. The officer we hired to manage traffic was not duped by them and knows the trouble that irresponsible exotic animal owners cause in the Tampabay area.
From: lndmonk@yahoo.com
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 11:35 am
Subject: Fla Python bill. lndmonkThis is the bill Carole Baskin is pushing so hard.. it is only a open door
to other more dangerous amendments which will be coming if this is passed...
Everyone keep in mind that we need Fla as a example of regulations that are
fair and working .Fla. Python bill:
It now has a number - HB 1459. The Senate bill still does not but if you
track the house bill, when the Senate companion is ready it will tell you so
you don't always have to keep checking on Posey's reptile bill. I hope you
will give this number to everyone you know so they can track it . That is how
to find out what Committees it gets assigned to and who is on them, When it is
put on the Committee Agenda (in the order the Speaker assigns the
Committees) and where, what time, date, etc., then after, if it was passed,
failed, tp'd (temporarily 'postponed 'Note this doesn't mean passed - but postponed)
.
Once there is a Senate Bill you will want to take its number and go to
Senate bill tracking to find out, the who, when, what, etc. as described above.
(Florida)_SIMPLY SIMIAN INC._ (http://www.simply-simian.com/)
_Repo-Pac_ (http://www.repo-pac.com/)_Grannys against Peta_ (http://www.grannysagainstpeta.com/)
Warrior Grannys strike against Peta. From: Bigcats10@aol.com
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 7:14 am
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] BCR Ban Big Cat Exploitation petition bigcats10In a message dated 3/4/2006 3:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lndmonk@yahoo.com writes:If you notice the very first line on the petition admits she is lobbying .... isn't that against what her non profit status allows?
Here is an excerpt from the IRS re: 501:
Exemption Requirements
To be tax-exempt as an organization described in IRC Section 501(c)(3) of
the Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for one or
more of the purposes set forth in IRC Section 501(c)(3) and none of the
earnings of the organization may inure to any private shareholder or
individual.
In addition, it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial
part of its activities and it may not participate at all in campaign activity
for or against political candidates.
_http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0 ,,id=96099,00.html_
(http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0 ,,id=96099,00.html)Ms. Baskin is on the BOD of Humane USA which is a political group which has the freedom to participate in these activities.
Also, USDA has no jurisdiction over these activities. Contacting the IRS with all of Carole's political maneuvers is an excellent idea. It can't hurt.
Vicki
From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com Raymond Rooney
Date: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] API expose runeraion
This must have happened while I was away but I am dismayed that people here fell for this.Without having read the exchanges I can only guess that they were taken on their word and no checking was done. I would appreciate it if someone could
point me toward the time period when these guys popped up. I'd like to study their approach.This may mark the first time an AR sting has been pulled successfully but it's not the first time someone has come to us wanting to see animals and owners with negative intent.
We all remember the NY Times reporter, the Al Guart "expose'" and court circus, and nibbles from various TV producers. We did get lucky with one UK photographer but that was a fluke.
Strangers are not going to seek us out to tell our wonderful story. There's no percentage in it. It's a poor seller. At best it might make filler in a pet publication but people who come thousands of miles don't do it for penny pieces.
And I don't care how nice you think someone is, you never show them a dirty enclosure, ratty fences, or less-than-perfect specimens. It doesn't matter if they were just sick or if you just rescued them from somewhere, animals in poor condition look bad and give a bad impression.
You can not count on slack from a "fellow exotic owner", especially if you haven't verified that they are owners or seen their place. Carole Baskin is a "fellow exotic owner."
Outfits like API have huge resources and can drag people in from anywhere in the country. Or the world. Sister organizations can supply people if they think you might know their own staff. HSUS, IFAW, and API are global.
Those who had poor conditions and/or animals did a lot of damage and need to clean up their acts. They should expect a visit from some agency - F&W, animal control, humane society, USDA, as appropriate. These people will give names when they see the lawmakers next and documenation is a natural request.
Worse, it will cost Phoenix credibility and scare away those who might have supported its actions. They now have to fear this being used against them if they support us in the future. If the group representing "responsible ownership" is so "bad" what does that leave?
AR people are a lot of things - cultists, fanatical, emotional, and sometimes disturbed - but they are not idiots and are determined liars, two-faced, and well-connected. They WILL lie to your face, assure you they are your friends, share your concerns and goals, and want to help you and your animals then turn around and blow you all to hell.
The ends justify the means.
Remember, to them we are not nice people with interesting jobs or hobbies. We are scum, exploiters, abusers, psychotic, and stupid. There's no shame in lying or doing any other action to horrible people, there's pride.
And if it negates a whole group of opposition people then it was justified and furthers the goal of animal liberation.
Empty cages! Empty cages!
But we should take this away from all this: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Let this be a learning experience. Don't be a show-off. If you can't control the outcome, don't get involved. Even if you are within regulations they make it sound awful - poses with wild animal, animal lives life in small prison, etc.
If they aren't from a trusted group don't let them on the property! Ray
From: <President@...
To: <Phoenix_exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: [Phoenix_Exotics] API exposeOpening Statement given at the Phoenix Exotics meeting, 9am, Feb 24th by
President Jeanne Hall.Welcome to the Phoenix Exotics Meeting.
Due to the nature of this meeting we may possibly have protestors or reporters outside or in attendance. Please refer such folks to Vicki. We have security, and she is in charge.
We also have another similar situation. As many of you know Phoenix Members have been opposing ban legislation from API (Animal Protection Institute) for years. One of the most successful places we have opposed ban bills is Washington State. Well, API has done an undercover operation which they have just released as an "in depth investigation". Actually, a couple of very nice seeming fellows dropped by from overseas. Known on the list as Austrian Tom, he and friend "fred" were welcomed into our homes as fellow exotic owners
visiting our country. This occurred a few months ago. Their report shows they did not understand what they were shown or told. We are supposed to respond to such a violation with terror. We are supposed to run away from the big scary ARA (Animal Rights Activists) and withdraw from the fight. But this violation shows something else much more important. It shows WE are being effective enough against the API that they felt the need to use dirty tricks. There was no need to resort to such deceitful behavior as pretending to befriend owners or intentionally record owners without their consent. In fact, the report tries, hard, through editing the info, to meet their agenda without really hitting the mark. Soon we will have a full response to this report up on the web. With pictures of these undercover agents included. We are NOT running away or hiding. API's cowardly actions only show we ARE having an effect.Message to API: API, we know WHO you are and WHAT you are doing. You are invited back anytime, but this time let US record YOU.
President, Phoenix Exotic Wildlife Association
Jeanne Hall
http://www.PhoenixExotics.ORG
President@...
P.O. Box 1132
Chehalis, WA. 98532
360-767-0746Permission to crosspost and forward freely, granted.
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Phoenix Exotics
See an interactive online map of exotic cat owners . See people being stupid with big cats, endangering themselves and others HERE . See the awful conditions that many captive cats endure HERE .
Phoenix Exotics is comprised primarily of a group who believe that they should be allowed to breed, buy, sell and trade exotics of all types. They maintain a chat list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Phoe nix_Exotics/ and anyone can join. Because they spend much of their time trying to discredit Big Cat Rescue, many of their members have made a point to copy me whenever my name or organization is the subject of their bashing and threats. The group has 866 members and it appears that the main purpose of the list is to mount counter attacks to legislation that is being promoted to protect exotic animals from exploitation and abuse.
The purpose of sharing quotes here from members of Phoenix Exotics is to show that they are actively trying to discredit anyone who would speak out for the animals. They cannot fight the issue of keeping wild animals as pets based on the merits. They seem to believe they can only succeed in "protecting their right to have whatever kind of animal they want" by trying to take the focus off the issue and put it on things that happened a long time ago in the pasts of those who have evolved in their beliefs far beyond where these people are so deeply entrenched.
A lot of misinformation about Big Cat Rescue will be quoted by them below, just to show the extent to which these people will go to try and cause us harm. To read all about us, visit About Us and follow the links from there. Some of these people have tried to discredit Big Cat Rescue by making accusations about our practices to The Association of Sanctuaries , the USDA and others. None of the allegations against us have been found to have any merit.
The only person to give them any help, was Chris Hawes at Bay News 9 who had just run a story on our rezoning. She had tried to find someone who was against it, but all of our neighbors were for it, so she twisted and edited an interview with our next door neighbor to make it look like they were opposed. After the story ran our neighbors came to us and told us that she took what they had said, completely out of context, and pieced it together to make it look like they were opposed to us. The one place where I said, “You got me on that. I just don't know. It's not in the list,” was when she said, "You claim that you stopped breeding cats in 1997 but I have proof that you had caracal kittens born in 1998." When she showed me her "proof", it was a newsletter that said we thought that one of the caracals was pregnant, but we must have been wrong because there were no kittens after that time. If she had shown the tape from where she made the accusation through where I showed her that no kittens had been born the viewers would have seen that my statement was only reflective of the fact that I didn’t know how she could have proof that we had kittens when I knew we didn’t. She cut it to just that one statement to make it look like she had caught me at something, when in fact I was able to show her that she had not. Despite her claim that we never disclosed on the web site that some of the cats were born there in the early years, we have always linked those cats stories to our own history and evolution .
We spoke with Jim Moore who was quoted in her story and he said he intended no harm to us and knew that we were not breeding on purpose after 1997 because he was there and saw that we were separating animals as quickly as funds would allow. We don't know why Chris Hawes seems to have such a vendetta against Big Cat Rescue. We suspect it is because of the wrath she incurred from people who know that exotic cats don't make good pets after she previously ran a story promoting hybrid exotics as pets. She had interveiwed us prior to running the story and we showed her all of the abandoned hybrids we have had to take in and informed her of all of the reasons why it never works out for the pet or the people, but she ran the cutesy-exotic-on-the-couch story anyway. She probably got a lot of negative mail from people who know better who often cite our website as the explanation of why wild animals shouldn't be promoted as pets.
When Chris Hawes said that Vernon Yates and others we are trying to bar from breeding, selling and keeping tigers as pets had told her bad things about us, we invited Chris Hawes to look through all of our records to show the allegations to be false, but she chose instead to go with the story she had concocted with their help and did not indulge our request to show her the proof of our innocence. If you were to play the tape she took of the hour or more she interviewed on camera, you would see that over and over I offered to show her the truth, but that she didn't want to see it. She claimed to be using USDA documents as her source, but USDA doesn't keep records more than 3 years old, and the records she referred to were all dated prior to 1997. There was nothing in the old records that we have not freely admitted all along on our web site and on our tours. This was not investigative reporting or she would have determined the same thing that everyone else did; we were wrongly accused. In just one year since her story ran we have been featured in the press, in a positive light, more than 130 times! We have had more than 300 positive stories done on us in just past few years. Not one other negative story ever aired because everyone else knows better.
Despite being tried and convicted on nothing more than gossip I don't hold any ill will toward Chris Hawes or Bay News 9. I was thinking in the aftermath how sad it would be to be her. Every day I am surrounded by people who love me, who share my vision and who are all working together to make the world a better place. My life is full of joy. Chris Hawes has probably never had a single day in her life that is as good as every day I enjoy and I can’t even imagine how sad a life that would be. When you focus on bad things you attract bad things into your life. While many of our supporters, who saw the show that is being distributed widely by those who breed and sell dangerous animals as pets, have contacted the station asking that she be fired, we did not encourage that and have not asked that she be reprimanded. Until she experiences an awakening of how good life can be, if you focus on the positive, she condemns herself.(You might note that it was one of the last stories she ever did for Bay News 9 and she is no longer working for any news provider in Florida)
Resignation from Animal Advisory Commission
On the above paragraph 3 you will find quotes from the The Association of Sanctuaries and the actual report from USDA on their investigation into the false allegations being made by the exotic pet owners. Just click on the links in that paragraph to view them. I found it interesting that in March Linda Hunnicutt (lindmonk) who listed at Publi.com as having a criminal record in bank and charity fraud was bragging that she was having me removed from the Animal Advisory Committee, three months before I knew anything about it, and her email suggests that she and the person she intended the email to, were sending multiple letters to pressure Commissioner Blair to have me removed.
Please note that it specifically states that one purpose of effort with the reporter was to have me removed from the “commission board”, i.e. the Animal Advisory Committee.
“----- Original Message -----
From: lndmonk@aol.com
To: monkeyyardsale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [monkeyyardsale] Caorle Baskins.
In a message dated 3/10/06 3:06:36 PM Central Standard Time, lndmonk@aol.com writes:
No Vernon didn't I did... with Vernons information..lol.... and with all the messages we have sent out, (you and me) she is being removed from the commission board and they will be doing a TV expose' on her next week.. the tv crew is out at Vernons now.. he keeps calling me and having me speak to the reporter on behalf of simply simian... so we are in the forefront anyway.... Gloria is the one that wanted the website.. she is our ace in the hole, a professional lobbyist.. doing a crack up job at it too.. and she is thinking we are angels as we put that site up for her.. she was supposed to send you a check for the cost a few days ago.. so when you get it that is what it is for... not a membership... from Gloria Johnson...
I thought this was going to Karen please you guys keep this quiet... “
As you can see, it has been their plan to use you to remove me from the Advisory Board since back in March when they fed Chris Hawes the misinformation she relied on for her article. Gloria Johnson is the person in the St. Pete Times article today called Cuddly Pet or Wild Animal? HERE
The following seems to be circulating all over.
On Behalf Of Raven Simons
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 5:59 PM
To: EPOU@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [EPOU] FW: FL Animal Rights activist removed from Animal AdvisoryHello all,
I am asking an important favor of everyone. Please write a thank you letter to Mr. Brian Blair for removing Carole Lewis Baskin (Big Cat Rescue and Humane USA) from the Hillsborough County Animal Advisory Committee. Carole is having a fit at being removed. Mr. Blair needs to show community support on this decision.
To all the bird people- This is the women that posted our names and address on her Humane USA website.
To all the pet owners- I welcome anyone to attend the meetings with us. This group called the Animal Advisory committee are nuts. They are extreme in their views.
Please feel free to forward this email to supportive individuals. We need as many letters as possible by Sunday 6/4/06. Anyone and everyone can write a letter, not just Hillsborough County people. This effects any animal owner. Counties tend to follow each other's lead.
Animal rights activist do not have a place on an advisory committee. They have a personal agenda that is not in anyone's best interest, including the animals.
Mr. Blair can be reached at Blair b@hillsboroughcounty.org . I am including the letter that I sent.
Thank you,
Lisa
Dear Mr. Blair:
I am writing to thank you for removing Carole Lewis Baskin from the Hillsborough County Animal Advisory Committee.
I have been attending the Animal Advisory meetings. The committee is made up of animal rescue/ animal rights individuals and local veterinarians. Ms. Baskin is the Florida director of Humane USA , an animal rights group. I feel there should be individuals representing the pet community (groomers, kennel owners, dog trainers,ect.) on this advisory committee.
The current Animal Advisory committee is outrageous in their proposals. They would like theHillsborough County ordinances to regulate the pet population and our ownership to an extreme. Without the balance of pet industry individuals, I feel that Hillsborough County will not be a pet friendly place to live. The pet industryprovides many jobs in our area andhas amultimillion dollar impact on our County. The medical community has also proven that pets improve the quality of our lives.
The story on BayNews 9 about the fraudulent fund raising at Big Cat Rescue, which Ms. Baskin is the CEO, is of concern also. It makes you question her integrity.
Thank you for taking the time to address this issue.
Respectfully,
Lisa Welch
This is also being circulated through the email list of the Phoenix Exotics, a group who promote exotic pet ownership and whose abuse was documented in the API study. Please notice that they view the entire Committee as “nuts” and feel people who are concerned about animal welfare have no place on it. This link is an undercover investigation video into members of Phoenix Exotics http://www.api4animals.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=16&pos=0 It is well worth the time to watch to fully understand why these people are doing all they can to discredit me and Big Cat Rescue.
See more on the resignation HERE
Posts from Phoenix Exotics and Others
We have listed information on those who seek to discredit Big Cat Rescue for two reasons:
1. So that you can make your own determination as to their credibility and sincerity.
2. In the hopes that you will say a silent prayer for them asking that they find peace and discover their inner beauty that will cause them to want to spread good will rather than gossip.
In the posts below, you will see that these people appear to threaten my life, encourage others to try and discredit us, sow seeds of doubt and even try to cause us financial harm by getting the whole group to click repeatedly on our pay per click advertising so that we will be billed unfairly. They suggest contacting those who provide service to us and our supporters to try and poison them against us. We have not included it here, but on their chat group they discuss methods to violate the Lacey Act and smuggle exotics across state and federal borders. Despite all of the malicious intent on the part of the following people, who we will identify as best we can, since they hide behind email addresses, we do not have ill will toward them. We are all here on planet earth to learn our lessons and to grow from them. We are no judge of anyone and provide this so that you can make your own judgment.
All of the typos, mis spellings and bad grammar of the original writers have been left in tact.
Who are these people and why do they not want laws that would restrict the trade in dangerous exotic animals? Find out HERE
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