6 Search Results for "jeanne"
- most relevant
- most recent
- highest rated
- most viewed
- top favorites
- most comments
-
Abuse Suspects Abuse Suspects
- From: 11233455987
-
Description:
Exotic Animal Stock Video. Lions, Tigers, Bears, Cubs & More! Choose from our online collection! www.walkingwithlions.com
Animals in their naturalhabitat!Onceinalifetimeexperience!www.BaobabExpeditions.com
Big Cats. Huge selection of Big Cat items. Yahoo.com
AnimalLover0104@aol.com is alias email First name is Janice Real email: Chuffer927@aol.com Thinks that people should be allowed contact with Class 1 animals, regardless of size. Supports white tiger breeding and exotic pet trade.
lndmonk@aol.com Has many emails Hates BCR and supports exotic pet trade Claims BCR abuses and breeds Name: Linda Hunnicutt Address: 27 Beaton Path, Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 She uses a number of other names and aliases as well to make it look like several people are responding on an issue, rather than her, or just her.
President, Phoenix Exotic Wildlife Association
Name: Jeanne Hall Website: http://www.PhoenixExotics.org P.O. Box 1132 Chehalis, WA. 98532 Phone: 360-767-0746
Supports exotic pet trade. Hates BCR. Thinks exhibitors and white tiger breeding are ok. Leads exotic pet organization and disagrees with USDA and AZA.
- Blog post
- 7 months ago
- Views: 678
-
This is a wild animal correct? This is a wild animal correct?
- From: 4theanimals
-
Description:
This Chimp belongs to Jeanne Rizzotto. Is this anyway to treat a "Wild Animal" by trying to make them human. Sitting in a car seat like a child?
- 2 years ago
- Views: 336
-
Tiny cages Tiny cages
- From: 4theanimals
-
Description:Jeanne Rizzotto, a private owner in Montana has 2 male chimpanzees. Look how small their cages are, with no enrichment, and no climbing apparatus.
- 2 years ago
- Views: 321
-
Ex-Tarzan Steve Sipek 1 Ex-Tarzan Steve Sipek 1
- From: TheirVoice
-
Description:
Former Tarzan insists he'll keep his tigers
By Joel Hood - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
July 14, 2007
Loxahatchee Groves Bo was in a bad mood.
The 400-pound Siberian Bengal tiger stalked angrily inside his shaded iron enclosure, finding little relief from the heat. Visitors watched him pace behind pencil-thin iron bars. Bo wanted nothing to do with them; he held them back with an irritated growl.
"It's too hot for him," owner Steve Sipek said, entering the cage with a small bucket of severed turkey legs. "He's a little cranky."
It's a mood that's spreading around the Sipek compound as the reclusive cat lover prepares for what has become a yearly battle with state and federal officials to keep his exotic felines: two Bengal tigers, an African lioness and a black leopard.
A year ago, federal inspectors denied Sipek an exotic animal permit to legally keep his cats because his five-acre ranch did not meet standards in the Animal Welfare Act. But the former B-movie actor, known around the Groves simply as "Tarzan," was granted a state permit that allowed him to keep the cats if he used them for educational or commercial purposes.
Sipek said he's reapplying for another state license, but remains defiant as ever toward federal officials and what he calls their"ridiculously high standards" for animal care. He said his cats are well cared for and challenges the authority of the federal officials to make any demands for better conditions. His last federal license inspection lasted less than an hour before Sipek ran the officials off his property.
"I told them to get the hell out of here and don't come back," Sipek said. "They have no authority to police me in my own home. Government likes to be the boss over everything. They're only in it to harass you."
The U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal and Plant Health division last toured Sipek's ranch in January 2006. The inspection and licensing arm of the USDA had given Sipek failing grades on two previous inspections and found conditions had improved little this time. Inspection records note that Sipek did not have a veterinarian on site or on call and that no medical records existed for the cats.
Inspectors found a section of fence was only seven-feet high, a foot lower than the minimum standards for these types of animals. They noted vertical gaps in the fencing large enough for outside animals to pass through to gain access to the enclosed tigers and lioness. They also pointed out other potential weak points in the fence.
Records show inspectors told Sipek that he did not provide a proper diet and feeding program for the cats and that his grounds were littered with dangerous debris. As with past failed inspectors, this record concludes that Sipek is not allowed to participate in USDA"regulated activities," such as exhibiting the animals, until he obtains a federal license.
Five months later, Sipek easily passed inspection by the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission and received a state license.
"We're not in it for the animal's health," said John West, the commission's investigations captain. "We don't need to see shot records or veterinarian records or anything like that. If he wants to live in a trash pile, that's his issue."
Sipek admits he's frustrated by this discrepancy in state and federal standards. While the state last year said he was a good guardian for the cats, the USDA launched an investigation into his care. USDA officials would not say whether the investigation is ongoing.
"It's a lousy situation," Sipek said. "The USDA is not qualified to issue licenses."
West agrees it's a confusing and complicated permit process and said the state has ongoing discussions with the USDA to simplify it.
The Croatian-born Sipek, who starred as Tarzan in a foreign remake of the film in 1970, garnered international attention in 2004 when a 600-pound Bengal tiger he owned, Bobo, escaped from his compound and into the rural residential community of the Groves. The tiger was later shot by Fish and Wildlife officials, but soon after, Sipek received another commercial license from the state for two tiger cubs, Bo and Little Bo. Those cubs are now 2 years old and weigh 400 pounds.
USDA spokesman Jim Rogers said federal licenses trump state permits, meaning that Sipek could face legal action if the agency wanted to
prosecute him for illegally owning exotic cats. Rogers would not comment on Sipek's case specifically, but said "if he's operating in a
way that we regulate without a license, we will pursue it."
If they do, Sipek could face fines or a court appearance. But he said he's not worried.
"Nobody could take better care of my cats than I can," Sipek said."The health of the cats is all that matters. That's all I care about and that's all they should care about, too."
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcat0714pnjul14,0,4576283.storySee an interactive online map of exotic cat owners . See people being stupid with big cats, endangering themselves and others HERE . See the awful conditions that many captive cats endure HERE .
Tarzan Buys New Tiger Cubs After State Shoots His Escaped Pet Tiger
LOXAHATCHEE -- Steve Sipek still wears grief like a heavy overcoat a year after a wildlife officer shot and killed his escaped tiger, Bobo , igniting a torrent of outrage.
His massive shoulders sag. His bright-blue eyes suddenly shed tears.
But just as suddenly, the retired actor who played Tarzan in B movies brightens and sings a ditty he wrote about the two new loves in his life:
Bo and Little Bo.
The 3-month-old tiger cubs are asleep on the floor when Sipek cracks open the door of his jungle-motif bedroom and coos like the proudest of new papas.
"Where are Daddy's kisses?" he asks, bending to nuzzle the fur balls. "Have you ever seen anything so beautiful?"
Bo and Little Bo -- Bengal-Siberian mixes like their beloved namesake -- are lifelines pulling Sipek back from the depths of despair. They are not unlike the lion that rescued him from a burning movie set 35 years ago, kindling his love affair with exotic cats.
The 26-pound cubs also are ready for showtime as the star attractions of Tarzan's Big Cat Sanctuary, Sipek's latest plan to fill the gaping hole in his heart.
Unable to obtain more big cats under an old personal pet license last issued by the state in 1980, Sipek applied for and recently received a state license to exhibit exotic wildlife. That allowed him to buy Bo and Little Bo for $3,200. He's still working on getting a federal license.
But there's another hitch. He says he must open his 5-acre compound in the secluded Palm Beach County neighborhood of Loxahatchee Groves to the public, inviting in the very beings he has spent much of his life avoiding:
People.
"I have no choice," he said. "I have to, or else I lose my license."
The Animal Rights Foundation of Florida, which objects to any private person keeping exotic cats in backyard cages, says Sipek is wrong. Noting there are no legal requirements for exhibitors to actually show their cats, the foundation says he is simply using a loophole in the law to obtain more personal pets.
"Lots of people get the exhibition license, and they fulfill that by having a few people come in and look at the animals," said Heather Veleanu, managing direction of the foundation. "They do it by inviting their neighbors or their brothers and sisters over."
Sipek, who also owns a lioness, a Bengal tiger and a black leopard, readily admits he's a reluctant exhibitor. But he says he'll do whatever he must to keep his new cubs. In the meantime, he's working on a Web site, jungleworld.org , where would-be visitors can learn more information.
It's a classic Catch-22 for a self-described loner who has felt betrayed by those closest to him.
After all, Sipek prefers the company of big-fanged felines that could kill with a single pounce to humans, who he says have caused him nothing but heartache during his 63 years.
His mother, he says, orphaned him in his native Croatia as a baby and then reclaimed him when he was 8, only to beat him regularly. He says he hasn't talked to his son in a year.
And he has had nothing but bad luck with his ex-wives and girlfriends who, he says, have left him, his cats and his granite and marble house behind.
"Cats are the only creatures who love you forever, who are loyal forever," he said. "You never have to wonder if they betray you."
'They murdered my Bobo'
Sipek suspects an angry former girlfriend coaxed Bobo out of the house and left a series of cages and gates open the afternoon of July 12, 2004, when the 600-pound cat greeted a startled mail carrier on C Road with a swipe of his declawed paw.
Within hours, C Road became a media roadshow, with live images from the fringes of the intensive hunt for Bobo beamed around the world. The next day, five shots rang out just beyond Sipek's compound, and Bobo fell dead.
Prosecutors found no evidence that Sipek was responsible for the cat's getting loose.
Officials with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission called the shooting a necessary tragedy by an officer left with no other option. While the officer waited for a tranquilizer team, the big cat whirled around, bared his teeth and lunged, they said.
But an inconsolable Sipek called the shooting "murder," insisting the brush above Bobo's body was undisturbed, an impossibility had the big cat really turned and leapt.
"They murdered my Bobo ," he wailed in grief at the time. "They want the glory. They want to say, 'We killed the tiger. We saved the people.' "
His pain and outrage struck a chord, generating songs, poems, paintings, bumper stickers and vigils in Bobo's memory. It also unleashed such a torrent of hate mail and threats against the wildlife commission that biologists were encouraged not to wear their uniforms in public.
Consumed by grief, Sipek retreated behind his gates, only to face more misfortune. A week after Bobo's death, an electrical fire badly damaged his house. Then, in September, his cougar Missy died, and hurricanes Frances and Jeanne finished off what the fire started. The final kick came the next month, when his lion Elvis succumbed to old age.
For the next eight months, Sipek ricocheted between rage and grief and the desire for revenge. He didn't recognize neighbors who dropped by with food or a helping hand. He quit his daily swims and exercises, adding 35 pounds to his once astonishingly fit physique.
He relied on a retinue of women who, drawn by the former movie star's pain and the magnetism of his big cats, donated countless hours to help him get his place and his self back in shape. Four of them still come around regularly, happy to take Sipek's tall orders --"hot and sweaty guy-work with lots of tools" -- to be around him and his cats, especially the new cubs.
"Seeing him on TV so distressed broke my heart," Kathi Carchia, a volunteer from Wellington, said while taking a break from fixing a pool filter. "Definitely, there's been a big change in him since the babies came."
35-year love affair with cats
Sipek's romance with big cats began in 1970, while filming Tarzan and the Rainbow, one of two movies in which he portrayed the ape man he had worshipped since watching Johnny Weissmuller in the role as a boy. But his life changed forever when he was captured and staked to the ground for one scene and fire broke out, engulfing Sipek in flames.
Sipek, who went by the stage name Steve Hawkes, knew he would die, until Samson, a lion who also starred in the film, dragged him to safety. From then on, he devoted his life to caring for big cats, many of them maimed discards from breeders and zoos.
To date, he said, he has spent more than $7 million of his movie-industry revenues on 102 cats who shared his home like children.
But none, Sipek reluctantly allows, was quite as special as Bobo . The bond between man and beast was so strong, the 6-year-old tiger would suck Sipek's thumb like a pacifier before climbing in his bed to sleep.
So, Sipek said, he agonized over whether Bobo would approve of his acquiring two new cubs: "Would he think I was abandoning him in death? Would he think I didn't love him anymore?" he asked
Sipek, who visits Bobo's elaborate grave marked by a headstone and statues of lions, giraffes and elephants, twice a day, found his answer after a calico house cat crawled through a hole in the garage apartment where Sipek has lived while his house is repaired.
Fearful the big cats would maul the little cat, he gave the stray away. Weeks later an identical -- but different -- calico crawled through the same hole and stayed. For Sipek, it was a sign.
"It had to be," he said. "Two identical cats found the same hole. That was too much for me."
Laissez-faire neighbors
Some of Sipek's neighbors say his expanding menagerie is too much even for live-and-let-live Loxahatchee Groves, 12.5 square miles of large homesteads, nurseries, stables and a nudist colony where animals -- horses, dogs, cats, ostriches and emus -- still outnumber people.
Backdoor neighbor Kim McLain, citing Bobo's escape and his 2002 mauling of a woman who let herself into Sipek's property, said Sipek hasn't shown himself responsible enough to keep wild animals.
But the majority seem to enjoy having the king of iconoclasts in their iconoclastic neighborhood.
"I actually like it," said Richard Harkleroad, a painter who lives nearby. "In the morning I can hear the animals roar."
And now, on occasion, a rejuvenated Sipek will join them, letting loose an unmistakable Tarzan yell.
Maya Bell can be reached at 305-810-5003 or mbell@orlandosentinel.com .
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-asec21tigers05aug21,0,3205327.story?page=2&coll=orl-home-headlines
Dear Maya Bell
Orlando Sentinel
What a shame that so many people are being deceived into feeling sorry for Sipek, when he is the reason the tiger was shot. His desire to have a "chick magnet" to get stupid women to do his dirty work for him all these years and his desire to feel power over a chained, cage creature has caused 102 cats to die as his pets. Exotic cats live for 20 years; how could so many be dead?
Shortly after the Bobo incident he had one of these women, who identified herself as Cindy, call Big Cat Rescue and ask us to take his adult cats because he wanted to buy more baby tigers. We don't provide a dumping ground to enable people to continue being irresponsible and low and behold, the ones he wanted to get rid of have died and he gets to be seen as the victim by you and your paper. It makes me so mad, I could spit.
You also failed to mention that just two days ago a 17 year old girl, also drawn by a Tarzan type with big cats, was mauled to death posing with the cat for her photo. http://www.bigcatrescue.org/big_cat_news_files/2005/17yroldkilledbytiger.htm
Now THAT is sad.
Tarzan the tiger collector adopts 2 cubs
Steve Sipek, who owned a tiger that was fatally shot, plans a zoo at his home.
By Shahien Nasiripour | South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Posted June 23, 2005
LOXAHATCHEE -- Tarzan's got two new tiger cubs.
Bo and Little Bo, 6-week-old Bengal-Siberian tigers, arrived at former B-movie Tarzan Steve Sipek's compound Friday.
Sipek is best known as the man who owned Bobo , the 600-pound declawed Bengal tiger that was fatally shot by a state wildlife officer in July after it escaped from his home.
Sipek bought the cubs from an exotic-cats breeding center north of Orlando for $3,200.
Despite losing his state license to own tigers as pets, Sipek said he found a loophole that allowed him to own more: a commercial license.
He applied for the license, an annual permit that requires him to operate a business in which he exhibits the animals, and was approved last month.
Sipek now has the two male cubs to go along with a 15-year-old Bengal Tiger named Princess, a leopard named Oko and Steffi the lioness.
He may get more.
Sipek plans to open his home as a zoo, he said. It was the only way the Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission would let him own another tiger, he said.
"Tarzan's Big Cat Sanctuary" is scheduled to open in six weeks, he said. Visitors will be able to schedule tours of the compound with Sipek by logging on to his soon-to-be-created Web site. Visitors will be led through Sipek's home and along the series of intricately designed cages. They also will be able to have their pictures taken with Bo and Little Bo.
Neighbors seem to be happy for him.
"If I had little kids, I might be a little nervous," said Gene Melchiori, who lives behind Sipek. "If I see them in my yard, I won't go out and poke them with a stick, but his cats are usually friendly."
Despite Sipek's portrayal of the state wildlife commission as being in an adversarial role, the agency supports him too.
"We look at him the same as we would any other applicant," state wildlife spokesman Willie Puz said. "There are certain criteria that need to be met, and so far he's met them."
Shahien Nasiripour is a reporter for the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, a Tribune Publishing newspaper.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orl-locbobo23062305jun23,0,1568056.story?coll=orl-news-headlines
FL Bengal tiger escapes from cage
Officers use tranquilizer darts to capture Tristan
By Akilah Johnson
Staff Writer
Posted February 27 2005
A 500-pound tiger escaped from its cage at Panther Ridge Sanctuary in Wellington and trotted around its compound sniffing at horses for more than two hours Saturday before wildlife officers captured it, officials said.
About 9:40 a.m., a woman feeding Tristan didn't latch the cage completely, and the Bengal tiger pushed past her and escaped, officials said. Tristan's owner, called 911.
More than 20 Palm Beach County sheriff's deputies and state wildlife officers arrived at 14755 Palm Beach Pointe Blvd. By noon, wildlife officers -- with the help of David Hitzig, executive director Jupiter's Busch Wildlife Sanctuary -- were able to tranquilize the tiger and return it to its cage, Willie Puz, a Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission spokesman, said.
Two tranquilizer darts were be used because the first had little effect, Puz said. The second dart startled Tristan, making the cat take a couple of quick steps, Puz said. But the tiger didn't run, and its actions weren't much of a threat, he said.
Then, 4-year-old Tristan became groggy, lay down and went to sleep, he said.
Tristan's escape reminded many of an incident seven months ago, when a 600-pound Bengal tiger named Bobo escaped from his cage and his compound in Loxahatchee. Bobo was on the loose for 26 hours before he was shot dead by a Conservation Commission officer, who said the cat lunged at him while he was waiting for other officers to arrive with a tranquilizer gun.
During Tristan's two-hour jaunt Saturday, the cat approached several horses on the 10-acare property, which is both a refuge for abused, neglected or abandoned cats and a horse farm.
"The horse kind of kicked at it, and the tiger said, `I don't want any part of this' and just walked away," Puz, said.
Judy Berens, Tristan's owner, was cited for escaped captive wildlife, a second-degree misdemeanor, punishable by 60 days in jail or a $500 fine. This was her first infraction, Puz said.
Berens could not be reached for comment despite attempts by phone.
According to the sanctuary's Web site, Panther Ridge has 16 large cats, including Amos, a black leopard, and Eros and China , two spotted leopards. Some were left with her; others Berens bought because she felt they weren't being taken care of properly.
A German film crew doing a documentary about how easy it is to buy exotic animals in the United States bought Tristan but was unable to find a qualified zoo to adopt the tiger when the film was completed, according to the Web site.
Tristan never made it outside of the sanctuary's perimeter fence or came in contact with the public Saturday, but officials didn't take any chances.
"If a wild animal gets out of its cage there's a potential for anything," Puz said. "Even for the people who were in the compound."
The sanctuary provides tours, but it was unclear Saturday if one was taking place when Tristan escaped.
There were sheriff's deputies and wildlife officers with rifles inside and outside the perimeter fence in case the tiger ran or got out of the fence, officials said.
The incident with Bobo created a public furor. Bobo's owner, former B-movie Tarzan Steve Sipek, accused the officer of killing the declawed cat unnecessarily, claiming the officer panicked and disputing the officer's account of Bobo lunging at him.
Commission officers around the state where threatened after the shooting, something Puz said has sense subsided. He got his last piece of hate mail about Christmas, he said.
Akilah Johnson can be reached at akjohnson@sun-sentinel.com or 561-243-6645.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ news/local/palmbeach/sfl-ptiger27feb27,0,6619459.s tory?coll=sfla-news-palm
Exotic pets dwelling closer to home
By Mark Schwed, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Sunday, July 18, 2004
For two years, Antoine Yates kept a 400-pound tiger named Ming in his small N ew York City apartment -- until the tiger mauled him and sent him to the hospital with serious injuries.
In Colton , Calif. , state officials raided a former animal trainer's ranch and found 39 tigers, including 11 cubs hidden in a crawl space in the attic, and 58 dead tiger and lion cubs stuffed in his freezer.
New Jersey officials gunned down an escaped tiger, only to find he belonged to a woman who was keeping 29 of the beasts in her back yard.
And today a public funeral is scheduled for Bobo, the 600-pound Siberian-Bengal mix who escaped from his owner's compound in rural Loxahatchee, only to be shot and killed by a wildlife officer who said he feared for his life. Bobo was buried Saturday in a private service.
What in the world is going on with all these tigers?
Quite simply, a population explosion of one of the most magnificent creatures on the planet, and one of the most endangered. But this mating marathon isn't happening in the wild, it's in America , especially Florida .
According to the American Zoo and Aquarium Association, there are now 15,000 captive tigers in the private sector, three times the number of wild tigers in Africa and Asia combined, more tigers than people know what to do with.
"Virtually every day I get a call from someone who wants to get rid of a tiger or big cat," says Carole Lewis, 43, who has 150 of the beasts at her Big Cat Rescue in Tampa . "I turned away 312 last year. The problem is that number is doubling every year. It's getting worse and worse. It's insane. It's reached a crisis point."
Even though Florida has an outright ban on possessing tigers as personal pets, the state now has 1,455 registered tigers, a 50 percent increase in 15 months and second only to Texas in the nation. Florida also has 262 U.S. Department of Agriculture-licensed exhibitors for big cats, more than any other state. And wildlife activists say there are now more tiger breeders in the state than anywhere else.
Dangers of the business
Florida is on its way to becoming the tiger capital of the world.
"It's downright scary," says Linda Howard, a captive wildlife specialist who keeps track of big cat populations in America . "Those 1,455 registered tigers are the legal ones. It doesn't include people possessing them illegally. It's shocking."
And dangerous. In the past five years, nine people have been mauled to death by big cats in the United States . Just last year, three people were killed, 14 were injured and hundreds of the animals either escaped or were confiscated from their owners, according to the Humane Society of the United States .
"These are highly endangered species," says Kim Haddad, a veterinarian and manager of the Captive Wild Animal Protection Coalition. "Yet in this country we're breeding them in the back yard and selling them like cats and dogs. It's dangerous for people and inhumane for the animals."
Hogwash, says Randy Davies, 43, of Phoenix , who's been selling exotic animals for 20 years and now operates the www.wildanimalworld.com Web site. "Over the years, we've saved every animal you see in a zoo -- elephants, giraffes, tigers. The only way they're going to survive is if we keep them breeding and have places to put them."
The exotic animal trade is a $15 billion worldwide business and it's flourishing. Primates, venomous snakes, elephants, giraffes, lions, bears and tigers -- all are for sale, wildlife experts say. There are 1,000 sites on the Internet that offer exotic animals.
These days, animal experts say you can pick up a cuddly tiger cub for $300, half the price of a Shih Tzu dog. A cougar costs even less.
Wayne Pacelle, chief executive of the Humane Society of the United States , says people buy them for all sorts of reasons. "They eat them, they shoot them, they keep them as pets," he says. "It's a whole underworld that is operating in the U.S. that victimizes literally tens of millions of animals a year."
Jim Lolli, 55, of the Lolli Brothers Livestock Market in Macon , Mo. , has been auctioning and selling exotic animals since 1978. "I haven't sold a tiger at auction for 20 years," he says. "But there are a lot of people who do it. There's a huge black market. I've had people say they sold a tiger to someone to shoot. It's illegal. It's as bad as selling cocaine."
Or is it?
- Blog post
- 2 years ago
- Views: 168
- Not yet rated
-
Phoenix Exotics Part 6 Phoenix Exotics Part 6
- From: TheirVoice
-
Description:
From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] RE; Expose on BCR runeraion
Record it!!!Ray
From: "shelleen mathews" < katladysam@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] RE; Expose on BCR katladysam
Hi Vicki... since I'm not in the BayNews9 coverage area do you know if there is
a link where I can view this after it's aired? Thanks... Shelleen From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] RE; Expose on BCR iluvclydesda...
Thank for the heads up VickiWell for those who can't tune in, is it possible you can report back to the
group on their findings? This sounds interesting... I wonder How warped it
will be - either pro or con...Give Ty a hug for me!
-Bob --- In Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com, Bigcats10@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 3/16/2006 5:29:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cathspohrer@... writes:I just listened to Expose done on BCR and Carol Baskin
Here is the link to the story:
_http://www.baynews9.com/content/36 /2006/3/16/149024.html
From: "slowswimmer1" thomaskirby169@hotmail.com <thomaskirby169@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:26 pm
Subject: Re: Expose on BCR slowswimmer1Isn't it amazing how long she has gone on believing that her manure pile doesn't stink? Shocked and surprised that anyone would criticize her?
Has she ever really done the work? Has she ever shoveled out a barn or litter box? She does not act like someone who really works or think? It just makes me want to rant.
From: "slowswimmer1" thomaskirby169@hotmail.com
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Expose on BCR slowswimmer1Her greatest fear is a truth campaign.
Poor lady is going to have to live on less than fifty million dollars for the rest of her life if this keeps up.
She wants to whine about this being caused by people who are motivated against new legislation. What motivates us but the lives of our animals? She has enough money and gets enough money and she hurts other owners to do it.
From: lndmonk@yahoo.com
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] RE; Expose on BCR lndmonk
In a message dated 3/16/06 3:05:27 PM Central Standard Time,
katladysam@... writes:area do you know if there is a link where I can view this after it's aired?
Thanks... Shelleen_http://www.baynews9.com/Home.htm l_ (http://www.baynews9.com/Home.html)
_Monkey Transport Fund ( March 2006)_
(https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick &business=repopac@aol.com&page\
_style=PayPal&no_shipping=1&no_note=1
&tax=0¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP-Donatio nsBF&charset=UTF-8)
_SIMPLY SIMIAN INC._ (http://www.simply-simian.com/)_Repo-Pac_ (http://www.repo-pac.com/)
_Grannys against Peta_ (http://www.grannysagainstpeta.com/)
Warrior Grannys strike against Peta. From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Expose on BCR runeraion
"All this is being caused by those motivated against new legislation "Hey, you use propaganda on people then you better expect the truth in response.
Welcome to politics, Carole. Did you think it was all one-sided? That nobody would ask questions, ever?
When you hold yourself up as a paragon of morality and virtue you had better be spotless. When you judge others you should expect to be judged.
Welcome to reality. Hope you like it. More will come.
Ray
From: "Cathy" < cathspohrer@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:27 pm
Subject: Expose on BCR cathspohrer2000
I just listened to Expose done on BCR and Carol BaskinBottom line??
It was told that Carol Baskin had said she has wanted the Largest Private Collection of exotics.Carol was confronted with accusations that she has breed after1997,when she says she has stopped.
It was stated :
Bingtorongs where born there:
"?"1998 Caracal litter of cubs born. Carol Baskins response:
" I dont know"Pet shop owner has stated that she had a Serval that was bought by
Carol Baskin aka Big Cat Resuce for $1000.00Taped recording of Carol Baskin saying how Tiger cub Shar Khan was
bottled fed and came from loving place.Carol was asked if all exotics at her facilty came from abusive places:
" I think so"
Carol Baskin stated that some Leopards at her facility where born
into the pet rade market:
It was said by another BCR volunteer that those leopards had been born
at BCRThere was more but this was excellent in getting BCR exposed for what is really going on there and what she is attempting to do
Carol Baskin parting comment was:
"All this is being caused by those motivated against new legislation " On Mar 16, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Ray wrote:
It seems the matter gets darker:
She is also working with an AR group:
www.humaneusa.org/images/PrintOuts/ PAC%2006%20Job%20Description%
20and%20Task%20List.xlsCarole Baskin runs the Florida branch:
http://www.humaneusa.org/humaneusa fl.htm
SAOVA describes them:
http://saova.org/arpac.htmlAn AR PAC. Members include HSUS, the Fund for Animals, Farm Sanctuary,
ASPCA, Doris Day Animal League, Animal Welfare Institute, The Ark
Trust,
Animal Rights Foundation of Florida, and others.This is disturbing. Certainly a conflict of interest.
Ray
From: Raven Simons < raven@performanceaudio.com
Raven Ariana / Cables, Service EXT 000 raven@performanceaudio.com Raven works in our custom cable department. If you need some cable, connectors or custom cables, she can make it happen.
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Oh, my! Was: re: Expose on BCR ladyraven_69Yuck!
This sounds terrible. Can something be done?
Are you an FCF member? I do know that there are several FCF members on this list. I wanted to join FCF because I want to take the feline husbandry course and I thought they were for responsible private/ownership conservation breeding.Raven
From: Bigcats10@aol.com
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR - FCF connection? bigcats10
In a message dated 3/16/2006 3:45:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ... writes:I'm sure either her or her long time volunteer, Carolyne Clendinen, the newly appointed FCF membership director would be more than glad to help you with your study. Just a thought.....
This is a joke, right? The membership Director of FCF is a volunteer at BCR and has access to addresses and such????
Please tell us this isn't true.....
Vicki
From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR iluvclydesda...
Hello,I asked before that you refer this question to Jeanne, our group moderator regarding Mr. Figg. She can fill you in on the details if that is what you need for your investigation. Please understand, I do not want to get involved more than I already have. He has caused enough trouble for me.
Please don't take it the wrong way either. I'm not trying to be nasty.-Bob
From: exoticanimals2@...
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR exoticanimals3
Bob;
Your telling me and others to avoid him though you don't give a reason why. I take it that you have had problems legally with him if your attorney is saying not to "get into it". If there were a bookie man lurking around the corner, I don't know about anyone else but I wold certainly like to know why I need to fear him in case I ever come across him. If you can't apeak about this issue, anyone else know?
Jude From: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
exoticanimals2@ ...
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 5:55 AM
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCRSo do you know Mr. Figg personally? Does it really matter if this to be true about the parking lot, where someone sets up to do photo ops? I would think that the care and health of his animals are way more important then where the photo ops are. Lets weigh this out... a parking lot with a hugh arena with sunshine, fresh air, cleaning caging, healthy animals or like some of the things we saw on the video. Hmmmmm is that so tough?
Jude From: "Z" < tigers9@...
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:18 am
Subject: RE: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR zbrubruff
I didn't not write that comment, I just copied and pasted it from the article comment website, I have no clue who cavedog is
Z From: < exoticanimals2@...
To: <Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCRSo Bob you know Mr. Figg personally? If not, what do you base such an opinion on?
Jude From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:59 am
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR iluvclydesda...
Jude,
I'd rather not get into it as advised from my attorney. Get it? It opens up a big can of worms. Just avoid him.
-Bob
From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ...
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:29 am
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR runeraion
That's correct. It was announced on the list just this afternoon. Not a word about it before then.PE would have to be pretty damn powerful to get something like that done in
2 hours! From: "Z" < tigers9@...
To: <Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:58 PM
Subject: RE: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCRMore comments:
big cat rescue
Posted By jerry on 03/16/2006 @ 08:27 PM
i CAN SEE IT NOW ALL THE PUSSIES are coming out of the woodworkBCR
Posted By Roger Figg on 03/16/2006 @ 08:06 PM
I am well versed in the current big cat trade. I have been licensed for 20
some years by USDA. This station is being used to push a PETTY attack by the
members of www.phoenix_exotics@... If you jion the list the archives
show this was planned by PE members to harm BCR. If you go to a API report
on Phoenix Exotics, they need to CLEAN themselves.
http://www.api4animals.org/gallery/displayimage.ph p?album=16&pos=0 Phoenix
list members have even attacked me in person. Is a private exotic ownership
group thats in support of ownership, Animal rights terrorists by attacking
others? Roger Figg www.DomesticPanthera.com www.CarnivoreConcepts.com From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR iluvclydesda...I put a comment on BCR's website representing my views and my views only. It
was not PE's. I just wanted to clarify that. It was also not planned as an actual PE event. what a goofball.Thank you.
-Bob From: "Bob Nevin" < bob@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR iluvclydesda...OH GOD!!! NOT HIM!!! <puke, gag, cough, spit up WHY THE HELL DID YOU POST
HIS NAME????!!! AAAAHHH !!! GRAB THE LYSOL QUICK TO DISINFECT OUR
COMPUTERS!!!!!! HE IS A CON MAN AND IS AN INTERNET PREDATOR!! DON'T BELIEVE
A FRIGGIN WORD HE SAID!!!!! From: "Z" < tigers9@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:30 pm
Subject: RE: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR zbrubruff
Figg is a fruit
Posted By cavedog on 03/16/2006 @ 10:06 PM
Mr Figg is another of Ms. Baskin's ilk. Check out this article
(http://cwapc.org/news/NewsDescription.asp?FileNam e=news_20041214.html) that
details how he kept "wild" animals in a parking lot so you can get your picture taken. I'm sure he has his own version of this, which is fine. I'm all for free speech. In fact, I dedicated almost twenty years of my adult life to the preservation of his rights, some of which was spent in nameless jungles avoiding predators such as the ones he puts in cages in parking lots. One of the website he references is slick, yeah, it almost looks lifelike. He is simply cashing in on the "wild" animal trade. By preying on your sympathies for animals, he can line his pockets. Put the animals in a zoo, and go back to selling suck brooms door to door. From: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raven Simons
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:07 PM
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCRMy 2 cents posted:
Thanks for this story. Carol has actually been hurting the endangered cats she claims to care for. Bad enough that she lies about the origins of her cats to get donations, she goes further by trying to strip the legal rights of others. She seems to be all about legislative extinction of endangered felines everywhere. Is this so she can have the largest and "only" collection of felines in the US? This would certainly bring in the bucks for her facility. I would like to see more new stories about the real heroes of
endangered felines, the responsible private owners trying desparately to save the diversity held within the existing US gene pools of these animals. A story would be great about those unsung heroes that have tried to keep the Ocelot gene pools thriving and the consequences of the Lacey act on their efforts. How about stories on those responsible private owners who love their cats and provide a life for them that would be the envy of many felines living in zoos and sanctuaries? We can talk about Servals and Caracals. It's only a matter of time before these become endangered in their wild homelands. Human encroachment, habitat destruction, and poaching are the biggest threat to all endangered species. A big hand needs to be given to responsible private husbandry and conservation efforts! "Z" < tigers9@...
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:29 pm
Subject: my comment:RE: comments:RE: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR zbrubruff
BCR
Posted By Zuzana on 03/16/2006 @ 10:27 PM
First of all, I would like to congratulate Chris Hawes for excellent job and having guts to expose the truth behind many so called sanctuaries. Too many journalists out there don’t do the research like she did, great job Chris. As for Ms. Carole Baskin’s claim as reported by Chris Hawes that “”She stood by her web site's story of Shere Khan's abuse, despite the video showing him standing on his hind legs. "He could lift himself, but just barely," said Baskin.””,….hmmm,… well, I saw the video, it was a very happy and healthy tiger cub playing with volunteer. Carol herself narrates the video, saying she just got Shere khan 1 week ago and says that it came from a loving and nurturing home and then mentions how this tiger cub bites hard but that she was told he would outgrow it (this was Carol’s first pet tiger). Now, on ‘Big Cat Rescue’ website it says that he:” was far beyond salable and had sores rotting through his face from his rotten teeth,” Well, the video shows a very bouncy strong tiger with pretty healthy face that likes to bite in play, if he was as sick as Ms. Baskin claims, he wouldn’t be biting with rotten teeth. The video/ picture don’t lie. From: Bigcats10@aol.com
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Re: RE; Expose on BCR bigcats10In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:36:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com ... writes:To all the volunteers who spoke out - and we know there are more than those named in the report - THANK YOU!!
Ray
BCR
Posted By WHACKM on 03/17/2006 @ 12:03 AM
www.Phoenix_Exotics@... This group sucks! Mean whore and Heathens with no lives reside there. The president of the playgroup, fatty fatty two by four, she couldnt fit through the bathroom door, But she can sure open cougar pens for tourists cameras. CLEAN those cages, some PE members animals are sleeping in filth. http://www.api4animals.org/gallery/displayimage.ph p?album=16&pos=0 How
responciable is private ownership if the animals suffer or endangered by
members? I see both on the API expose of PE. Carole Lewis Baskin
Posted By Monkey Mom on 03/16/2006 @ 11:32 PM
Whether or not you support a private citizen's right to own an exotic animal, committing fraud by lying to the people who support you should never be tolerated. For a woman of Carole's character to be calling private owners and others 'unethical' because they live and work with exotics is a joke. The only difference is that private owners care for and support their own animals while Carole has found a way to have the public support her cats while she pays a staff to care for them. The majority of cats listed on Carole's website are not rescues at all, but her own private collection. They are not 'victims of the pet trade' but cats bought and bred by Carole Lewis Baskin for her own enjoyment ... something she wishes to deny every other person but herself. The people who donate to BCR are doing so on the basis of the lies told both on the website and by the tour guides. And by the way....what ever happened to Carole's 'disappeared' husband, Don? Big Cat Lies
Posted By Shoe on 03/16/2006 @ 11:30 PM
Let’s see if I got this right, Carole Baskin (formerly Carole Lewis) was an exotic pet owner, who became a breeder, who bought and/or bred up to 130 animals. Then decides to become a “Sanctuary� , make up rescue stories (normally called lying) to entice/solicit donations for the upkeep of her pets. Meanwhile lobbying to ban others, thinking she is one of the chosen few that knows best. Not to mention keeping her tax-free non-profit status. Additionally, badmouthing anyone else doing what she does/did. Yup Chris Hawes got it right, and probably would find out more if he had the time. Petty"?
Posted By Tom on 03/16/2006 @ 09:49 PM
Petty attack, Roger Figg? Carole Baskins fights to get everyone banned from owning big cats. She fights to punish people who try to take care of big cat species by raising more big cats. Her program amounts to a deliberate attack against several species that she pretends to care for. The kind of morality she pushes is very strange, that it is somehow moral to eliminate the lives and bloodlines of most of the representatives of the feline species on this planet. So it's petty to point out Baskins's hypocrisy. I don't accept that. I don't know why you think that anyone would accept your rhetoric. The fact is that humans who raise exotic animals are the only hope for many species. By that I do mean private owners, the same private owners who have raised millions of dogs, cats, cattle, and other species. Whatever you call it, success speaks for itself. Any species that is "exploited" by humans has a guaranteed future, in large numbers, many of them enjoying a very high standard of living compared to living in "nature." This is a result that cannot be accomplished by a diminishing number of zoos that have a plan to breed a few hundred invididuals without the genetic variety needed to make a truly viable species. And I haven't even talked about the monkeys that I have seen pictures of that the API has
allowed to rot. BCR
Posted By Roger Figg on 03/16/2006 @ 08:06 PM
I am well versed in the current big cat trade. I have been licensed for 20 some years by USDA. This station is being used to push a PETTY attack by the members of www.phoenix_exotics@... If you jion the list the archives show this was planned by PE members to harm BCR. If you go to a API report on Phoenix Exotics, they need to CLEAN themselves.
http://www.api4animals.org/gallery/displayimage.ph p?album=16&pos=0 Phoenix list
members have even attacked me in person. Is a private exotic ownership group thats in support of ownership, Animal rights terrorists by attacking others?
Roger Figg www.DomesticPanthera.com www.CarnivoreConcepts.com Big Cat "Rescue"
Posted By Tom on 03/16/2006 @ 07:22 PM
Carole Baskins has published a plan to rid the United States of all big cats in human hands within twenty years. Presumably this means what it says. Her plan includes the end of keeping big cats in zoos and the species survival plans. The US is actually very good at improving the chances of survival of many endangered species, and private owners actually produce the majority of successful breedings towards this end. Animals that are vanishing due to human predation against them are actually prospering in private homes and this is what Carole Baskins's program wants to bring to an end. Breeding of threatened and endangered species should be encouraged, not discouraged. I don't even know how it occurred to anyone to ban the private breeding of animals that are becoming
rare in the wild. What can I say that this is like? A captive bred tiger is still a tiger. If we breed more of them the species may die out in the wild, but there are thousands already in captivity that make up a viable breeding pool. Yes, there are some problems when private owners breed any animal, but the end result is that we have more tigers when the world needs more tigers, more ocelots when the world needs more ocelots, and so on. It's the only way we can do it right now. We need to get over it, grow up, and start taking
responsibility for what humans have done to other species. We can do this by working on what humans can do FOR other species. BCR
Posted By Victoria on 03/16/2006 @ 06:19 PM
I am pleased to see reporting that for once exposes the real truth about Bigcat Rescue in Tampa and Mrs. Carole Baskin. I applaud the reporter, Chris Hawes, for having the courage to set the record straight and for those that participated in exposing the lies generated from Ms. Baskin's propaganda. Ms. Baskin of Bigcat Rescue is an exhibitor of exotic animals not a Sanctuary. Here in Florida real Sanctuaries do not need a USDA license to provide caring homes for animals as long as they don't breed, sell, or exhibit. Ms. Baskin has a Class "C" exhibitors license which allows her to show her animals commercially and for money. She also asks for donations from the unsuspecting public to provide homes for animals that we now know were not abused?? Hypocritical? Yes, I would say so. - Blog post
- 2 years ago
- Views: 119
- Not yet rated
-
Phoenix Exotics Part 2 Phoenix Exotics Part 2
- From: TheirVoice
-
Description:
Subject: PE members are threatening you?
To: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
From: SOUTHZOO@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:38:50 EST
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] Carole- BCR comments- My responseIn a message dated 2/17/2006 12:37:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tigers9@cox.net writes:U mean kind of like a bullet?...;-) it depends if u r on the receiving end
or not.;-)ROFL! Yup, fully loaded!
Community email addresses:
Post message: Phoenix_Exotics@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe: Phoenix_Exotics-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe: Phoenix_Exotics-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
List owner: Phoenix_Exotics-owner@yahoogroups.com
Website: http://www.PhoenixExotics.orgShortcut URL to this page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Phoenix_Exotics/ Subject: Comment from GreenPeople directory
Hello,
We received the following comment from tigers9@cox.net regarding your listing at:
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
The comment is:Wasn't Carole Baskin/Lewis formerly called Widlife on Easy Streeta breeder, and most of her animals she bought/bred herself,or got retired tigers from Ringling,who pay for their upkeep?See link to her book where she admits it: http://www.species.net/Carnivora/General/Easy/Easy indx.html I also own her video,BIG CAT COMPANIONS on breeding exotic cats.
Subject: Comment from GreenPeople directory
Hello,
We received the following comment from azooforu@yahoo.com regarding your listing at:
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
The comment is:
Wildlife on Easy Street is nothing more then a place a greedy woman keeps HER RETIRED BREEDERS at, and some Ringling Circus tigers who are paid for (OVERCHARGED) by the compnay. She higly inflates the cost for enclosures that are secured by hog rings. The land their enclosures are built on was formerly a dump, and junk still pushes it's way to the top
of the animals' enclosures. They have been under investigation for numerous violations to the ANIMAL WELFARE ACT by the USDA. This isn't paradise, it's BUSINESS.Subject: GreenPeople listing: Big Cats and Private Owners
Bob Nevin ( Bob@chnevin.com ) Robert W. Nevin, VP, Recruiting10223 Sablewood Dr. Aurora, Ohio 44202 (Tel) 800-388-7986 (Fax)330-995-3592
has visited your GreenPeople listing:
Big Cat Rescue
http://www.greenpeople.org/searchResults.cfm?memid =5833
and is emailing you the following:
Its my right to responibly own a lion. If you don't like that then clam up. I feel real bad that you can not educate people on how to work and care for big cats short of saying you can't have them. If owning big cats are banned, then you will see an even greater problem with enforcement because all the cats will be sold on the black market without any papers or breeding certificates. Also a lot more accidents and inexperienced people working with them will get hurt or even worse.
Its very important that you educate people how to work and train the big cats. Also, its very important that we save the species and private owners are doing a good job. I think that you should start realizing and welcoming that fact instead of trying to make a mockery of it.Carole’s Note: GreenPeople decided that the opinions were without merit and did not post these libelous comments. The book link is maintained by one of our opponents who hides behind a bulk registrar and the text is not endorsed by Carole Baskin or Big Cat Rescue.
Linda Hunnicutt lndmonk@yahoo.com Brought pet monkey from NC into FL and said she left it in her car at Vernon Yates while she protested our Kids, Cats & Candidates day. She had led the group from Phoenix Exotics in coming here from out of state. Linda Hunnicutt of Simply Simian Address: 27 Beaton Path, LeicesterCity, State Zipcode: Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 Her criminal convictions that include bank fraud and charity fraud are HERE .
Email: lndmonk@aol.com
From: lndmonk
To: monkeyyardsale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: [monkeyyardsale] Home againI just got in this afternoon and found 1300 messages none of which I could get too. This computer has gone AWOL. I have had to go to yahoo then back to aol to read the newest ones? what a mess.
Anyway needless to say I deleted the most of them..
I got to Fl on Friday night, really Late, Had a flat on the I 10 INTERSTATE and had to get the Road Rangers out there to help change it and found they couldn't doit either as it has locking nuts on the wheels to keep people from steeling them.. My Son finally told me to tell them to knock off the stud that had the lock on it. which was the solution..
Then had to drive very slowly for the next hundred forty miles which was worse than waiting for the Rangers..lol.. Anyway after staying lost on the interstate interchanges for about an hour I just called and told my son to come get me which he did and found I was only about 10 minutes from his house.lol... I did get there though which is what counts. The demonstration was a good one, have the photos etc and will get them up on the website and in the newsletter comming out in a few days.I did get a lot of aggravation there, those people are really mean. One blonde which I will not mention her name, was put up to pulling my strings, she had the nerve to come up and start asking me questions about what I had in my car, if I had a monkey in there? when I asked her who the hell she was she said Carole Basking, now I think you all know I have a mouth, but I only uttered a few profane words to her and told her to get the FFFFFFF away from me.. I never raised my hand but my Grandaughter was standing there with huge eyes just waiting for the blows to start flying..lol... Of course everyne thought that was really funny.... then Vernon who I entrusted with Buddy during the demonstration came by and put his arm around me and told me we had a little problem... Buddy had opened his cage and was up in a tree? He also learned a few new words ...lol...
It was a wonderful experience, those people are dedicated, serious and working for us all. I got to put faces with names and loved meeting all of them.
We did our job. Only abut 3 cars went into the place while we were there , and one of the candidates read our material and switched sides, grabbed a sign and was standing with us on the street. The cops she had called to keep us from harrassing her guests ( she had very very few of them to harrass) took our flyers thanks to someone who told them their husband was a cop also and eased up on us.
People in that town got the message, the traffic was heavy, and everyone slowed down to see the signs.. They were read. Lots of people would give us the thumb up sign so they must have nad some previous knowledge of BAskins.
The most excitement was when the fire engine flew in with sirens and lights flashing followed by a ambulance.. I actualy was hoping maybe Carol had met with a horrid accident? but we never did find out what the problem was.
I am really dissapointed that Geraldo didn't show up to see the real truth and went ahead and aired the show but from what I heard from someone? it was not a good one and didn't show much of her place at all so he evidently edited it quite a bit. That is a positive thing. Our messages did get through.
That is not the end of it, there will be bigger and better demonstrations and like I said on another list. It aint over till the fat lady sings and I haven't had any voice lessons yet. so we will keep on till we get it right.. After all we are new at this stuff but are learning real quick.
It is good to be home and get some real sleep in my own bed but Karen better get my bed at her house ready cause I am heading out of here next week for Texas... Yeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
It is snowing still here, the ground is frozen and I am movin on south... Buddy told his father tonight he was a southern monkey.. didn't like this hillbilly place.. LOL.....
Linda
Carole&rsq uo;s Note: Name: Linda Hunnicutt of Simply Simian Address: 27 Beaton Path, Leicester, NC 28748 Phone: (828) 683-2009 Email: lndmonk@aol.com She is said to use a number of other names and aliases as well to make it look like several people are responding on an issue, rather than her, or just her.
I did not go up to the group of protestors but did have them filmed to find out who was there. They claim to have had a candidate join them, but all of the candidates who were scheduled to come, did come, with the exception of one woman and I do not know who the man in the photo they are promoting as a candidate was. While she claims only three cars came, we had 178 guests. The officer we hired to manage traffic was not duped by them and knows the trouble that irresponsible exotic animal owners cause in the Tampabay area.
From: lndmonk@yahoo.com
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 11:35 am
Subject: Fla Python bill. lndmonkThis is the bill Carole Baskin is pushing so hard.. it is only a open door
to other more dangerous amendments which will be coming if this is passed...
Everyone keep in mind that we need Fla as a example of regulations that are
fair and working .Fla. Python bill:
It now has a number - HB 1459. The Senate bill still does not but if you
track the house bill, when the Senate companion is ready it will tell you so
you don't always have to keep checking on Posey's reptile bill. I hope you
will give this number to everyone you know so they can track it . That is how
to find out what Committees it gets assigned to and who is on them, When it is
put on the Committee Agenda (in the order the Speaker assigns the
Committees) and where, what time, date, etc., then after, if it was passed,
failed, tp'd (temporarily 'postponed 'Note this doesn't mean passed - but postponed)
.
Once there is a Senate Bill you will want to take its number and go to
Senate bill tracking to find out, the who, when, what, etc. as described above.
(Florida)_SIMPLY SIMIAN INC._ (http://www.simply-simian.com/)
_Repo-Pac_ (http://www.repo-pac.com/)_Grannys against Peta_ (http://www.grannysagainstpeta.com/)
Warrior Grannys strike against Peta. From: Bigcats10@aol.com
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 7:14 am
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] BCR Ban Big Cat Exploitation petition bigcats10In a message dated 3/4/2006 3:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lndmonk@yahoo.com writes:If you notice the very first line on the petition admits she is lobbying .... isn't that against what her non profit status allows?
Here is an excerpt from the IRS re: 501:
Exemption Requirements
To be tax-exempt as an organization described in IRC Section 501(c)(3) of
the Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for one or
more of the purposes set forth in IRC Section 501(c)(3) and none of the
earnings of the organization may inure to any private shareholder or
individual.
In addition, it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial
part of its activities and it may not participate at all in campaign activity
for or against political candidates.
_http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0 ,,id=96099,00.html_
(http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0 ,,id=96099,00.html)Ms. Baskin is on the BOD of Humane USA which is a political group which has the freedom to participate in these activities.
Also, USDA has no jurisdiction over these activities. Contacting the IRS with all of Carole's political maneuvers is an excellent idea. It can't hurt.
Vicki
From: "Ray" < rrooney@ucwphilly.rr.com Raymond Rooney
Date: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Phoenix_Exotics] API expose runeraion
This must have happened while I was away but I am dismayed that people here fell for this.Without having read the exchanges I can only guess that they were taken on their word and no checking was done. I would appreciate it if someone could
point me toward the time period when these guys popped up. I'd like to study their approach.This may mark the first time an AR sting has been pulled successfully but it's not the first time someone has come to us wanting to see animals and owners with negative intent.
We all remember the NY Times reporter, the Al Guart "expose'" and court circus, and nibbles from various TV producers. We did get lucky with one UK photographer but that was a fluke.
Strangers are not going to seek us out to tell our wonderful story. There's no percentage in it. It's a poor seller. At best it might make filler in a pet publication but people who come thousands of miles don't do it for penny pieces.
And I don't care how nice you think someone is, you never show them a dirty enclosure, ratty fences, or less-than-perfect specimens. It doesn't matter if they were just sick or if you just rescued them from somewhere, animals in poor condition look bad and give a bad impression.
You can not count on slack from a "fellow exotic owner", especially if you haven't verified that they are owners or seen their place. Carole Baskin is a "fellow exotic owner."
Outfits like API have huge resources and can drag people in from anywhere in the country. Or the world. Sister organizations can supply people if they think you might know their own staff. HSUS, IFAW, and API are global.
Those who had poor conditions and/or animals did a lot of damage and need to clean up their acts. They should expect a visit from some agency - F&W, animal control, humane society, USDA, as appropriate. These people will give names when they see the lawmakers next and documenation is a natural request.
Worse, it will cost Phoenix credibility and scare away those who might have supported its actions. They now have to fear this being used against them if they support us in the future. If the group representing "responsible ownership" is so "bad" what does that leave?
AR people are a lot of things - cultists, fanatical, emotional, and sometimes disturbed - but they are not idiots and are determined liars, two-faced, and well-connected. They WILL lie to your face, assure you they are your friends, share your concerns and goals, and want to help you and your animals then turn around and blow you all to hell.
The ends justify the means.
Remember, to them we are not nice people with interesting jobs or hobbies. We are scum, exploiters, abusers, psychotic, and stupid. There's no shame in lying or doing any other action to horrible people, there's pride.
And if it negates a whole group of opposition people then it was justified and furthers the goal of animal liberation.
Empty cages! Empty cages!
But we should take this away from all this: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Let this be a learning experience. Don't be a show-off. If you can't control the outcome, don't get involved. Even if you are within regulations they make it sound awful - poses with wild animal, animal lives life in small prison, etc.
If they aren't from a trusted group don't let them on the property! Ray
From: <President@...
To: <Phoenix_exotics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: [Phoenix_Exotics] API exposeOpening Statement given at the Phoenix Exotics meeting, 9am, Feb 24th by
President Jeanne Hall.Welcome to the Phoenix Exotics Meeting.
Due to the nature of this meeting we may possibly have protestors or reporters outside or in attendance. Please refer such folks to Vicki. We have security, and she is in charge.
We also have another similar situation. As many of you know Phoenix Members have been opposing ban legislation from API (Animal Protection Institute) for years. One of the most successful places we have opposed ban bills is Washington State. Well, API has done an undercover operation which they have just released as an "in depth investigation". Actually, a couple of very nice seeming fellows dropped by from overseas. Known on the list as Austrian Tom, he and friend "fred" were welcomed into our homes as fellow exotic owners
visiting our country. This occurred a few months ago. Their report shows they did not understand what they were shown or told. We are supposed to respond to such a violation with terror. We are supposed to run away from the big scary ARA (Animal Rights Activists) and withdraw from the fight. But this violation shows something else much more important. It shows WE are being effective enough against the API that they felt the need to use dirty tricks. There was no need to resort to such deceitful behavior as pretending to befriend owners or intentionally record owners without their consent. In fact, the report tries, hard, through editing the info, to meet their agenda without really hitting the mark. Soon we will have a full response to this report up on the web. With pictures of these undercover agents included. We are NOT running away or hiding. API's cowardly actions only show we ARE having an effect.Message to API: API, we know WHO you are and WHAT you are doing. You are invited back anytime, but this time let US record YOU.
President, Phoenix Exotic Wildlife Association
Jeanne Hall
http://www.PhoenixExotics.ORG
President@...
P.O. Box 1132
Chehalis, WA. 98532
360-767-0746Permission to crosspost and forward freely, granted.
- Blog post
- 2 years ago
- Views: 113
By Joel Hood - South Florida Sun-Sentinel